Wow i feel as if i am grasping into thin air here, shadow boxing with a ghost.. You say::
"you may not be saying this at all" But at no time do you reveal what the this is that i may not be saying??? So how can i respond to that statement to either confirm i am saying this this or deny i am saying this this you have brought forward,,, without actually bringing it forward ??? This mysterious this that i have no idea about?
Then you continue with "" I said I don't know, but if you are "" If i are ??.... If i are what???
A bit daunting for me to do a right up on all the events around the day of the return to Earth of the LORD Jesus Christ.. But i shall give it a go..
The Day of the LORD includes the wrath of God that will be poured out upon the followers of the Wicked One who is known by most as either the beast or the Anti-Christ.. This will happen after most Christians have been executed by followers of the Anti-christ for their refusal to worship the Image of the beast.. Some Christians however will still be alive on the actual day of the return of Jesus to earth and these will be caught up into the air by the Angels and will instantaneously be transformed into eternal perfected beings with perfect eternal bodies within which they will experience eternal life with Jesus from that moment onward.. As this is taking place the dead Saints will also be resurrected and will also be perfect beings in perfect bodies..
These will meet Jesus in the clouds and with Jesus they will come down to earth to rule the earth for 1000 years with Him.. As they come down the Army of the beast which will be amassed on the plains of meggedo will be caused to destroy itself, They will do this because the soilders will be made to go crazy and will turn upon each other. They will also be struck by a flesh liquefying plague which will see them dissolve.. ( if you have seen the movie raiders of the lost Arc when the nazies opened the Arc and.. Well if you ever watch the scene then you will understand )
From that time on the survivors of the nations which came up against Jerusalem will be subjects of Jesus and the Saints who will rule over them.. Also the 144,000 innocents of the 12 tribes of Israel who are also known as the remnant will be establish in an enlarged promised land .. from the rivers of Iraq to the river of the Nile and including all the arabian peninsular up to the areas of the mountains of turkey.. These 144,000 will be blessed with very long life but they will not be eternal like the Saints who will be living next to them and their descendants for the duration of the 1000 years..
I think i should stop here because i am probably missing things.. To include all details seems to be a daunting task.. I have given you something to chew on anyway..
Again struggling to understand why you have married these two separate verses? Matthew 10 is a call to fear God and his power far more then those on earth who would persecute and kill us? "neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" is talking about our dead flesh rotting in the graves and how rotten flesh cannot be caused to be incorruptable to inherit eternal life in Gods kingdom.. I can only speculate that you interpret the word corruption to mean taking bribes or some corrupt ( as in sinful behavor) because you are not being clear what you actually believe the corruption in the scripture means.. So again i feel like i am ghost boxing..
These are Saints who where executed because they where Christians.. Who stood up for the truth of the Gospel of Jesus.. These would include everyone from the first martyred Saint Stephen ( Acts 7:59 ) Saints who where killed by the Jews, Saints killed because of their faith by the Romans, Saints burned at the stake or tortured to death by the roman catholics because of their faith, Saints slaughtered by devout muslims as they wage jihad. Saints killed by pagans because they where sharing the Gospel.. And in the end Saints who will be beheaded because they refuse to worship the image of the beast..
Yes..
They where killed / executed on earth during their flesh lives because they where Christians.. The others where not killed for being Christians.. If i die today from lets say a blood hemerage in my brain then i would be awaiting the day of the return of Jesus to be reasurected in a twinkling of an eye.. All those in heaven under the throne had one thing in common.. They where killed for their faith in Jesus.. as it says""
""should be killed as they were""
That naturaly excludes Christians who have died natural deaths.. Or deaths that have not come as a result of them being Christians..
Well there has been no recording of any Saints being raised from the dead since that day.. So these Saints must have been servants of God who where killed / executed because of their service to God.. Jesus even lamented about Jerusalem and the Jews::
Matthew 23: KJV
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"
Note there have been a lot more prophets then the named prophets in the Bible like Daniel, Isaiah and Jeremiah.. The Jews killed many prophets who God sent to them..
Sinners who had sinned and where in hell ( the soul prison ) but who had not yet heard the Gospel nor had they rejected the Gospel.. So people in hell since the days of Noah and the flood had a chance to hear the Gospel from Jesus and i believe they had the chance to accept the Gospel and be saved or reject the Gospel and remain in hell. So yes there is a Hell and i am not sure why you bring this topic up since i don't think it has anything to do with the topic of the thread Rapture timing in relation to the great tribulation. But i guess expanding topics are normal in these threads..
"you may not be saying this at all" But at no time do you reveal what the this is that i may not be saying??? So how can i respond to that statement to either confirm i am saying this this or deny i am saying this this you have brought forward,,, without actually bringing it forward ??? This mysterious this that i have no idea about?
Then you continue with "" I said I don't know, but if you are "" If i are ??.... If i are what???
A bit daunting for me to do a right up on all the events around the day of the return to Earth of the LORD Jesus Christ.. But i shall give it a go..
The Day of the LORD includes the wrath of God that will be poured out upon the followers of the Wicked One who is known by most as either the beast or the Anti-Christ.. This will happen after most Christians have been executed by followers of the Anti-christ for their refusal to worship the Image of the beast.. Some Christians however will still be alive on the actual day of the return of Jesus to earth and these will be caught up into the air by the Angels and will instantaneously be transformed into eternal perfected beings with perfect eternal bodies within which they will experience eternal life with Jesus from that moment onward.. As this is taking place the dead Saints will also be resurrected and will also be perfect beings in perfect bodies..
These will meet Jesus in the clouds and with Jesus they will come down to earth to rule the earth for 1000 years with Him.. As they come down the Army of the beast which will be amassed on the plains of meggedo will be caused to destroy itself, They will do this because the soilders will be made to go crazy and will turn upon each other. They will also be struck by a flesh liquefying plague which will see them dissolve.. ( if you have seen the movie raiders of the lost Arc when the nazies opened the Arc and.. Well if you ever watch the scene then you will understand )
From that time on the survivors of the nations which came up against Jerusalem will be subjects of Jesus and the Saints who will rule over them.. Also the 144,000 innocents of the 12 tribes of Israel who are also known as the remnant will be establish in an enlarged promised land .. from the rivers of Iraq to the river of the Nile and including all the arabian peninsular up to the areas of the mountains of turkey.. These 144,000 will be blessed with very long life but they will not be eternal like the Saints who will be living next to them and their descendants for the duration of the 1000 years..
I think i should stop here because i am probably missing things.. To include all details seems to be a daunting task.. I have given you something to chew on anyway..
Again struggling to understand why you have married these two separate verses? Matthew 10 is a call to fear God and his power far more then those on earth who would persecute and kill us? "neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" is talking about our dead flesh rotting in the graves and how rotten flesh cannot be caused to be incorruptable to inherit eternal life in Gods kingdom.. I can only speculate that you interpret the word corruption to mean taking bribes or some corrupt ( as in sinful behavor) because you are not being clear what you actually believe the corruption in the scripture means.. So again i feel like i am ghost boxing..
These are Saints who where executed because they where Christians.. Who stood up for the truth of the Gospel of Jesus.. These would include everyone from the first martyred Saint Stephen ( Acts 7:59 ) Saints who where killed by the Jews, Saints killed because of their faith by the Romans, Saints burned at the stake or tortured to death by the roman catholics because of their faith, Saints slaughtered by devout muslims as they wage jihad. Saints killed by pagans because they where sharing the Gospel.. And in the end Saints who will be beheaded because they refuse to worship the image of the beast..
Yes..
They where killed / executed on earth during their flesh lives because they where Christians.. The others where not killed for being Christians.. If i die today from lets say a blood hemerage in my brain then i would be awaiting the day of the return of Jesus to be reasurected in a twinkling of an eye.. All those in heaven under the throne had one thing in common.. They where killed for their faith in Jesus.. as it says""
""should be killed as they were""
That naturaly excludes Christians who have died natural deaths.. Or deaths that have not come as a result of them being Christians..
Well there has been no recording of any Saints being raised from the dead since that day.. So these Saints must have been servants of God who where killed / executed because of their service to God.. Jesus even lamented about Jerusalem and the Jews::
Matthew 23: KJV
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"
Note there have been a lot more prophets then the named prophets in the Bible like Daniel, Isaiah and Jeremiah.. The Jews killed many prophets who God sent to them..
Sinners who had sinned and where in hell ( the soul prison ) but who had not yet heard the Gospel nor had they rejected the Gospel.. So people in hell since the days of Noah and the flood had a chance to hear the Gospel from Jesus and i believe they had the chance to accept the Gospel and be saved or reject the Gospel and remain in hell. So yes there is a Hell and i am not sure why you bring this topic up since i don't think it has anything to do with the topic of the thread Rapture timing in relation to the great tribulation. But i guess expanding topics are normal in these threads..
They are firstfruits.
Firstfruit Jews.
They precede those gathered later by Jesus on a cloud.
Angels now preach the gospel .
The last groups are now in heaven for the supper
(See the parable of the wedding guests...several different gatherings)