When is it gonna be enough?

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-when someone killed in US well everyone is sad.
-when someone killed in Europe well it is tragedy.
-when thousands are dying in Asian and Africa its ok we can live with that.

before you answer think how many times you post/say something like that from countries other than US,and maybe some European countries.

And you are right
 
I really don't expect much from you, but I sorta did expect a little better than that...

I assume you meant the "greed" of the NRA?

If that is the case, please explain to me and to all the other sane people in this thread how the NRA is "greedy" in standing up and fighting for the rights of American citizens... enumerated (codified?) in the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Are you adamantly opposed to the "greed" of the ACLU? Or, the NAACP?

I am opposed to greed period which ever side it comes from. for all it does is oppress.
 
In 2017, the NRA spent more than $5.1 million on lobbying,[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif] according to the Center for Responsive Politics' database. The previous year's total reached $3.2 million.[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]Money controls america no matter what side it comes from. Its time to take money out of politics totally. [/FONT]
 
That really isn't very much lobbying money at all. I half expected more.

In 2017, the NRA spent more than $5.1 million on lobbying, according to the Center for Responsive Politics' database. The previous year's total reached $3.2 million.

Money controls america no matter what side it comes from. Its time to take money out of politics totally.
 
either you are blind or stick your head in a bucket of sand every day it does not need explaining. They own the republican party the only right they stick up for is the right to murder our kids.

I own the NRA.

Life member.
 
In 2017, the NRA spent more than $5.1 million on lobbying, according to the Center for Responsive Politics' database. The previous year's total reached $3.2 million.

Money controls america no matter what side it comes from. Its time to take money out of politics totally.

5.1 million is chump change when it comes to lobbying.

Big pharma spent almost 280 million last year, the insurance industry spent 160 million last year.

The power of the NRA comes from it's ability to mobilize it's 5 million members and millions of other gun owners who aren't members.


 
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either you are blind or stick your head in a bucket of sand every day it does not need explaining. They own the republican party the only right they stick up for is the right to murder our kids.

On a roll...the second most ignorant comment I have seen on here...
 
either you are blind or stick your head in a bucket of sand every day it does not need explaining. They own the republican party the only right they stick up for is the right to murder our kids.

Man... dumb and dumber, right here on our forum.....

Dem, you look thirsty.... here ya go!

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Don,t forget the greet of the NRA that keeps our country flooded with guns now...
the NRA has nothing to do with the shootings they did not provide, buy, or give any gun to the shooters.
 
If a home invader comes into your home and your weapon is locked up and unreachable, what good is it going to do you? "Wisdom" is to have your weapon of self-defense in hand for any eventuality.

You can pretty quickly punch 4 numbers into an electronic safe beside your bed.
 
Yes, and the ramifications in common law would be onerous where carrying is concerned.

Is one criminally liable if they take their gun off their belt while taking a dump or finding a comfortable position on the couch.

One can say "well I wouldn't go that far", but the curtailment of liberties is like pandora's box. It isn't your decision to make, but that of legislators, lawyers, special interest, judges, etc, etc, etc. Many of whom care about being right over legal consistency. Such is the bloat of the Western system?

Just look at what they're doing to Free Speech throughout the West. These issues are inextricably tied.

I hadn't considered that people lay around on their couch and walk around the house with a gunbelt on...and my thought wasn't concerning if they were at home so much as when they weren't home. I don't see putting a gun on your nightstand while you sleep and then putting it in the safe when you wake and leave as such an odious or time-consuming burden.
 
Do you know how comfortable gunbelts are these days? :P

Partial jests aside, you seem to miss my point. Opening such things up to legal/political activism will, with time, make carrying legally untenable by either denying the right outright or forcing it into one of those awful gray areas.

You may have a reasonable standard in your head, but you're not the one who will make that decision when big brother heeds your cry.

Now, if you don't want people carrying guns at all, that may be a path worth considering and it's an entirely different argument.

I hadn't considered that people lay around on their couch and walk around the house with a gunbelt on...and my thought wasn't concerning if they were at home so much as when they weren't home. I don't see putting a gun on your nightstand while you sleep and then putting it in the safe when you wake and leave as such an odious or time-consuming burden.
 
I hadn't considered that people lay around on their couch and walk around the house with a gunbelt on...and my thought wasn't concerning if they were at home so much as when they weren't home. I don't see putting a gun on your nightstand while you sleep and then putting it in the safe when you wake and leave as such an odious or time-consuming burden.

Des was trying to point out that if you try to legislate "thou shalt have your firearms locked up when perchance you eschew using them" (wait... this isn't a KJVO gun thread, is it?)

THEN you have opened up a huge can of worms that says you could be arrested if you ever have a gun out of it's vault. It depends on how the law is written, and how it is interpreted by a liberal, gun-hating judge.

Writing laws that work correctly, and fairly, is NOT an easy thing to do, especially given all the activist judges that have been put in power by the left.

It seems easy to say "ban all assault weapons"... and instantly all AR-15's would be gone. Unfortunately, the FINE print in the definition of an "assault weapon" includes any autoloading firearm that has a detachable magazine, from .22 rimfire pistols to autoloader shotguns, and autoloading hunting rifles such as the Browning and Remington rifles.

No, don't worry.. we don't want to take away your guns.
 
5.1 million is chump change when it comes to lobbying.

Big pharma spent almost 280 million last year, the insurance industry spent 160 million last year.

The power of the NRA comes from it's ability to mobilize it's 5 million members and millions of other gun owners who aren't members.



this is true, we are no longer for the people by the we are for the corporation by the corporation. Government is corporates puppet. There is no longer a government. Corporations have divided the people and use the government as a punching bag instead of the people seeing who the real problem is they blame it on the government. when it is corporations controlling the government. Time to remove all lobbing money from government. And give the government back to the people again.
 
Yes!

Let's set up worker's councils in their stead.

this is true, we are no longer for the people by the we are for the corporation by the corporation. Government is corporates puppet. There is no longer a government. Corporations have divided the people and use the government as a punching bag instead of the people seeing who the real problem is they blame it on the government. when it is corporations controlling the government. Time to remove all lobbing money from government. And give the government back to the people again.