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laymen

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posthuman said:
just exploring this point some more - because IMO a good rule of thumb is that the right interpretation is the interpretation with the right Christology - there are a bunch of questions it raises:

whether adam in Genesis 3:22 refers to all mankind, to Adam & Eve, or to Adam in particular, Adam himself is included in what God says; i can just focus on him as representative of the general case
  • how did Adam become like God?
  • did Adam become like God by eating from the tree?
  • did Adam become like God by something he did?
    • by something he said?
    • by something he thought?
    • by something he believed?
  • is becoming like God something that happened to Adam or something Adam did to himself?
  • did everyone become like God through Adam?
  • can anyone become like God apart from Adam?
  • who else does scripture describe as becoming like God?
    • how did they / do they / will they?
  • who does scripture say wants to become like God?
  • are there different ways of becoming like God?
    • is it only by eating from this tree?
    • does the tree actually make someone like God?
      • is Satan lying to Woman when he says so, or not?
      • if Satan's telling the truth about this, does it only work on humans?
      • can Satan eat from the tree? what will happen if he does?
      • did he? does he want to?
      • did he eat from the other tree? can he? does he want to?
  • what does He mean by like one of Us?
    • why not 'like Me' ?
    • is this about some property God & angels share that Adam didn't originally have?
    • is this referring to trinity?
      • if so then to which one of the trinity?
  • did Adam become like God the Father?
  • did Adam become like the Spirit of God?
  • did Adam become like Christ?
    • is Adam called a type of Christ?
    • is Eve?
    • is mankind in general?

and so on..


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Just a thought. Can Women be like Christ? Does women know good from evil? I think so.
 
posthuman

posthuman

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laymen said:
Just a thought. Can Women be like Christ? Does women know good from evil? I think so.
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more thoughts .. :)

  • is 'knowing good from evil' in the context of Genesis 2-3 the same as basic knowledge of the idea of right vs. wrong?
  • do Adam & his wife have any sense of morality before Genesis 3?
  • is US law immoral when it excuses imbeciles from culpability for certain crimes, on the basis that it's impossible for them to have understood what they did was wrong?
 
laymen

laymen

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posthuman said:
more thoughts .. :)

  • is 'knowing good from evil' in the context of Genesis 2-3 the same as basic knowledge of the idea of right vs. wrong?
  • do Adam & his wife have any sense of morality before Genesis 3?
  • is US law immoral when it excuses imbeciles from culpability for certain crimes, on the basis that it's impossible for them to have understood what they did was wrong?
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As wise man once said: The only reason we notice the evil (Bad) is because of all the Good.
 
Blik

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Deuteronomy said:
Hello Laymen, while it's necessary for our salvation that God knows us, I believe that it is equally important that we know Him (both the Father and the Son). For instance, the Lord Jesus, in His high priestly prayer said,

John 17​
3 ~This~ is eternal life, that they may ~know~ You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.​

There are many other places in the Bible that say similar things as well, about God knowing those of us who are His, and about our knowing Him as well.
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To have a real relationship with the Lord, it isn't enough to just know Him, but to live with Him. There were many scholars among the Pharisees with extensive knowledge of scripture. Christ pointed to a little child as close to Him rather than the scholar.

Our religious knowledge has so many things opposed to a close living relationship with the Lord. Some say the law is dead, so disregard it. Another that works won't get us anywhere. There are some truths to these things, but it is easy to let them just keep us from living with the Lord.

The biggest deterrent, I think, is misusing the new covenant. The law is written in our hearts, not in stone. It is wonderful. It cuts through the rules to the essence of God. But some use it to stop the doing that living with God requires in favor of just thinking and believing the faith.
 
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Blik said:
To have a real relationship with the Lord, it isn't enough to just know Him, but to live with Him.
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Hello Blik, that's true, particularly in English, but the Greek is far more helpful in this case as it makes a distinction for us between four different words that are all translated into English as "know" (which is why the NT, which was written in Greek, says what it does w/o further explanation).

The word that is used both in Matthew 7:23 (of the necessity of God "knowing" us) and in John 17:3 (of the necessity of our knowing Him), is γινώσκω (transliterated ginosko), which speaks of far more than just knowing of the existence of and/or knowing a few things about another person. Rather, it speaks of a close, personal, intimate knowledge (grounded in personal experience), the kind of knowledge that we have of a close friend or family member, for instance (the equivalent word in Hebrew was used as an idiom for sexual intercourse by the Jews in the OT, just FYI).

This is also why the Lord (who in one sense "knows" us all, obviously) can properly say (in Matt 7:23), "I NEVER knew you", to those standing before Him in the Judgment, those who will claim to be Christians, but who were deceived and/or were themselves deceivers during their lives here in regard to their salvation (a salvation that, for them, 'never' existed).

~Deut

Matthew 7​
21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.​
22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’​
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never ~knew~ you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’​
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John 17​
3 This is eternal life, that they may ~know~ You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.​
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UnoiAmarah

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John 20:27-29
....and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Gen 2:21-24
and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

laymen said:
The word "Man is used in a general since of the word in Gen 1:27 Mankind Meaning both Male and Female .
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  • Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5:19
  • For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26

One should note the following
  • (male and female) Gods (Spirit and Word) in Genesis 1, as evident by v. 27 "Let us make man in our image after our likeness"
  • cleave unto helpmate LORD God in Genesis 2,
  • becoming one flesh LORD in Genesis 4
 
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