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lenna said:
I have asked actually

maybe cut the swagger and post in a normal fashion

if you 'want' someone to see something, threatening (for no reason other than you are disagreed with IMO) is not how to get their attention

I don't agree with you

you see one thing and several here see another

so you need to report that? take a chill pill

I know about the thread that I would not post in because of the nastiness of it and I know what happened and who was banned

this is nothing like that thread
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Again it’s not you. If you want to think they are innocent that’s your right many people disagree with you.

And they have falsely accused him
Many times over weeks. I have proven it many times also I did so today when @EleventhHour accused him based on something he said. I asked the question and his answer proved her accusation wrong

@Oncefallen has mail. If we can not be adults and make order of ourselves then it is time to bring someone in who can
 
throughfaith said:
in relation to gifts , after salvation .

3¶For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
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Exactly... thank you!
 
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lenna said:
oh listen. you are just worked up because of what eternally said.

you have said many things that sound very Calvinistic and that is what people are asking about and what you deny yet you continue to misrepresent scripture

this is not anything new in this forum. that is what goes on here

no one has called you names...calling or saying someone is Calvinist...is usually because of what they write and so what?

as it is, where is the post in which I stated you were Calvinist? I went back to the beginning of where I began responding in this thread and if no one else thought you had Calvinist leanings I would have anyway

that, is not a reportable offence despite what eternally has said

he is being a bully. so we have that too

but again, where did I say YOU are a big bad Calvinist? which post please
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Post 785. In response to me stating that I do not believe in Calvinism or FORCED GRACE, which literally came OUT OF NOWHERE
 
OIC1965 said:
Who gave us the power to become sons of God, and how was that sonship accomplished?

You already said we become sons through faith. So to be given power to become sons means given power to become sons of God through faith

Faith is granted. Just like the passages in acts 11 and Philippians I posted earlier stated
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do you not understand that is what Calvinists say?

if that is not what you mean, and I am starting to think English is not your first language, perhaps take a little more care in how you express yourself

you are stating that God gives the faith to accept Him and we are saying we choose

that is neither nasty, bannable or misrepresenting scripture
 
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lenna said:
listen...people are not going to be banned here despite what you might have been told

I am still waiting for the proof of what you say

I know you will not find it

you don't own the rights to this discussion. it's not your thread and even he does not own the rights

further, saying you sound Calvinistic is not misrepresenting scripture. in fact, it might be misrepresenting you, but you keep posting double meanings so you stop crying wolf
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Saying he believes this

When he does not believe it is called bearing false witness. Last I heard the bible calls that sin

It’s more then calling him Calvinist. That is a joke

It is accusing him of Calvinist believes in certain doctrines when he does not
Believe what they accuse him of believing

In the real world it is called badgering when you continually accuse something that is not true
 
lenna said:
do you not understand that is what Calvinists say?

if that is not what you mean, and I am starting to think English is not your first language, perhaps take a little more care in how you express yourself

you are stating that God gives the faith to accept Him and we are saying we choose

that is neither nasty, bannable or misrepresenting scripture
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Thank you again. :)
 
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lenna said:
do you not understand that is what Calvinists say?

if that is not what you mean, and I am starting to think English is not your first language, perhaps take a little more care in how you express yourself

you are stating that God gives the faith to accept Him and we are saying we choose

that is neither nasty, bannable or misrepresenting scripture
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Do you not realize that NON CALVINISTS say that too?

Should I stop believing in the Trinity because Calvinists believe in the Trinity?
 
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lenna said:
do you not understand that is what Calvinists say?

if that is not what you mean, and I am starting to think English is not your first language, perhaps take a little more care in how you express yourself

you are stating that God gives the faith to accept Him and we are saying we choose

that is neither nasty, bannable or misrepresenting scripture
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Lol

John says god gave us the power. That’s not Calvinist.
 
OIC1965 said:
Do you not realize that NON CALVINISTS say that too?

Should I stop believing in the Trinity because Calvinists believe in the Trinity?
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Thank you. I have been trying to make this point for awhile now
 
throughfaith said:
Which non Calvinists ? Arminians? Lutherans?
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Almost all of them.

Give me some names of people that don't say what I'm saying. Jesse Morrell? Kerrigan Skelly? Those are the people who deny what I'm saying mostly.I'd like a list of five people that deny that we are granted the power to believe. I bet you can't find five that aren't completely wacked out in their theology in other issues.
 
OIC1965 said:
Calvinists also believe in the Trinity. Do you want to throw that baby out with the bathwater too?
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They mess up the Trinity if the second person is said to not love the world or have died for the whole world . I believe in a Jesus that actually died for the world .
 
OIC1965 said:
Do you not realize that NON CALVINISTS say that too?

Should I stop believing in the Trinity because Calvinists believe in the Trinity?
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where is the post you mentioned way back?

no one said a thing about the Trinity

what you are doing here is called a strawman arguement. nothing to do with any prior discussion

we could also refer to it as a false dilemma as you are making up things to sound righteous
 
lenna said:
I have asked actually

maybe cut the swagger and post in a normal fashion

if you 'want' someone to see something, threatening (for no reason other than you are disagreed with IMO) is not how to get their attention

I don't agree with you

you see one thing and several here see another

so you need to report that? take a chill pill

I know about the thread that I would not post in because of the nastiness of it and I know what happened and who was banned

this is nothing like that thread
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This isn't the first time you've implied you know who is banned. Something that only members of the Administration or Moderation team would know.
I think we should note that about you and moving forward perhaps consider how you post with respect to the rules.
 
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