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lenna
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awww
that's ok. keep your chin up and use humor like I do
maybe I have a quirky sense of humor, but I find the renderings on Mary to be so out of place as to be funny
When are we saved ?
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awww
that's ok. keep your chin up and use humor like I do
maybe I have a quirky sense of humor, but I find the renderings on Mary to be so out of place as to be funny
They may believe IF THEY WILL.
The will can be a problem, as we discussed earlier.
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eternally-gratefull
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I asked for a reason. People here him say that and automatically accuse him. After I ask usually the truth comes out. He does not believe that. He has shared that many times. But the false accusers here keep attacking him of believing it the C way
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EleventhHour
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I see that we recieve Jesus through believing the Gospel ( through faith) As many as RECIEVE HIM . To them he gives ...
Yep, because they don’t understand the finer points of salvation.
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EleventhHour
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Election is a descriptor of those who have believed and those who have beleived are called to service.
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eternally-gratefull
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Yep we could Never have Faith unless god did the work to save ya. Convict us and teach us. We Could
Never come up on it in our own so it’s not in effect really our own will
Power.
In the same token it’s not Calvinist. A Calvinist believes a person is regenerated then POOF he has faith
we believe a person has faith then POOF he is made alive
Totally different
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EleventhHour
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Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
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lenna
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ummm
I disagree. he is saying 2 different things at the same time
I don't find pointing this out accusatory. I am actually slightly bemused and a bit amused
take that as weakness on my part, but I do see both sides of what he is saying
I would be personally grateful if you would not refer to certain other posters here as false accusers and attacking
just sayin' as they say
I am really not taking sides, but this is what I see.
God commands many things that cannot be done in the strength of the fleshly will.
Try serving God in the flesh. Good luck.
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eternally-gratefull
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How or what do you see? Just for clarification. I do not want to falsely accuse you
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lenna
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see EG?
this is what I am referring to
confusing to say the least but with definite C leanings
what can I say
Chosen in Him to be holy and blameless before God in love is a GOOD purpose.
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eternally-gratefull
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EleventhHour
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lenna
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see post above
no don't accuse me. I see what I see and that's about it. nothing here I am trying to make true to anyone