When are we saved ?

[eternally-gratefull]

its believe and recieve . Simple .

Actually it is more than this, one can believe and not have faith

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually it is more than this, one can believe and not have faith

True!

The Devil's Believed And Didn't Have Faith.

Matthew 8:29-31KJV
29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

 

[Nehemiah6]

THERE IS SIMPLY JUST A LOT OF NONSENSE IN THIS POST

Unbelief condemns a person, not because it is an unforgiven sin, but because it is the exclusive point of access to the grace. (Rom. 5:2)

THIS IS GOBBLEDYGOOK

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

FALSE

Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)

FALSE

Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)

MAKES NO SENSE

When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.

MAKES NO SENSE

Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)

MAKES NO SENSE

Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).

MAKES NO SENSE

The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

THIS MUST BE EXPLAINED PROPERLY

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

THIS IS TOTAL NONSENSE

Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)

THIS IS TOTAL NONSENSE

Salvation is eternally secured by the sealing of the spirit, not “election.” (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22)

THIS MUST BE EXPLAINED PROPERLY

There is no sealing of the spirit before Pentecost or after the harpazo of the church. (Eph. 4:30; John 14:17; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:26-29)

THIS IS FALSE

thoughts ?

THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE GOSPEL SHOULD REMAIN SILENT UNTIL THEY DO UNDERSTAND.

 

[49]

From that point of view i would have to conclude no one can be saved . Only Jesus surrendered all .

Man, you are something else. You won’t be content until every thread is of you, or you run every one off. Just do not get you at all....

 

[Deuteronomy]

Baptists focus on baptism, Pentecostals focus on gifts, Adventist focuses on the sabbath, and so on. Everybody has something they choose to focus on. I think it's a trap.

Hello sister, that could certainly be the case, but I like to give our different church and/or denominational emphases a more positive "spin"

I believe that people will always be people (hard as we try not to be sometimes). And as "people", we tend to like things that have become comfortable to us, and we tend to get further and further away from things that are not. I believe that this happens to us in church, and that's a problem, because God is FAR bigger and has many more sides than we (or any one group of us) may be comfortable with acknowledging and focusing on regularly. So we tend to focus (more and more) on the things about Him and the faith that we are comfortable with, and conversely, we shy away from things that we are not so comfortable with.

However, thanks to our denominational differences (in emphasis) we are regularly reminded that there are other parts of the Christian faith, parts that we may not be as comfortable with personally as others are, that are just as important as the parts that we like to emphasize (parts which must not be de-emphasized, overlooked, and/or forgotten about). This also makes it harder to put the Christian faith, or God, in a box (of our own making)

Just to be clear, I'm talking about denominational/church emphases within the pale of Christian orthodoxy only

That's my take anyway (though I admit that I could be wrong).

God bless you!

~Deut

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no sealing of the spirit before Pentecost or after the harpazo of the church. (Eph. 4:30; John 14:17; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:26-29)

Please explain after the harpazo of church, when does this take place?

 

[throughfaith]

We're born again by regeneration, BECAUSE of the DEATH and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I'm not sure what your point is in trying to separate the Gospel unto Salvation.

You cannot have life until you acknowledge He died to pay YOUR sin debt. NO ONE can be saved without that fact.

1 Peter 2:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
Romans 1:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Paul preached the WHOLE Gospel. He didn't go around saying " Believe in the Life of Jesus".

No. He preached Jesus's atoning DEATH and resurrection. He said he strove to know nothing but Christ, and Him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
1 Corinthians 1:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
Christ the Power and Wisdom of God
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

And just so we're clear what THE Gospel unto Salvation is by which we stand, that Paul CLEARLY states:

1 Corinthians 15 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by [a]Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have [b]fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

I highlighted ' saved ' to make the point. We are not ' saved ' by his death . When Jesus died you were not ' saved ' were you?

 

[throughfaith]

Actually it is more than this, one can believe and not have faith

1 cor 1 .21 says otherwise .
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[throughfaith]

THERE IS SIMPLY JUST A LOT OF NONSENSE IN THIS POST

THIS IS GOBBLEDYGOOK
FALSE

FALSE

MAKES NO SENSE

MAKES NO SENSE

MAKES NO SENSE

MAKES NO SENSE

THIS MUST BE EXPLAINED PROPERLY

THIS IS TOTAL NONSENSE

THIS IS TOTAL NONSENSE

THIS MUST BE EXPLAINED PROPERLY

THIS IS FALSE

THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE GOSPEL SHOULD REMAIN SILENT UNTIL THEY DO UNDERSTAND.

Your unexplained comments show you do not understand. Happy to discuss each point.

 

[throughfaith]

Man, you are something else. You won’t be content until every thread is of you, or you run every one off. Just do not get you at all....

Again let's stick to the bible. Attack what I'm saying , not the person. If you can engage in the discussion then please do. if not , you dont have to read .

 

[throughfaith]

THERE IS SIMPLY JUST A LOT OF NONSENSE IN THIS POST

THIS IS GOBBLEDYGOOK
FALSE

FALSE

MAKES NO SENSE

MAKES NO SENSE

MAKES NO SENSE

MAKES NO SENSE

THIS MUST BE EXPLAINED PROPERLY

THIS IS TOTAL NONSENSE

THIS IS TOTAL NONSENSE

THIS MUST BE EXPLAINED PROPERLY

THIS IS FALSE

THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE GOSPEL SHOULD REMAIN SILENT UNTIL THEY DO UNDERSTAND.

i
look forward for your reasons why ( Biblically) im wrong on the above points

 

[throughfaith]

True!

The Devil's Believed And Didn't Have Faith.

Matthew 8:29-31KJV
29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

Jesus didn't die for angels. Fallen Angel's do believe in the death , burial and resurrection, but there is no provision for the devil and fallen angels. Christianity 101 .

 

[49]

Again let's stick to the bible. Attack what I'm saying , not the person. If you can engage in the discussion then please do. if not , you dont have to read .

Am done with you and your self-righteous attitude. Am sure you must be a real joy to hang out with...
Not attacking you...am confronting you. In another thread, you accused an individual of being a child (keep it on the playground). You, sir, seem to be like the school ground bully here. Am praying for you....
And with THAT...will have no further dialogue with you. Not worth risking...

 

[throughfaith]

Am done with you and your self-righteous attitude. Am sure you must be a real joy to hang out with...
Not attacking you...am confronting you. In another thread, you accused an individual of being a child (keep it on the playground). You, sir, seem to be like the school ground bully here. Am praying for you....
And with THAT...will have no further dialogue with you. Not worth risking...

" I'm not attacking you , but I am attacking you" Got it. Thanks for the biblical disscussion .

 

[throughfaith]

Please explain after the harpazo of church, when does this take place?

We may go off topic if we go with this topic ?

 

[Truth7t7]

We may go off topic if we go with this topic ?

You stated no believer is sealed by the holy spirit after the harpazo, when does this harpazo take place?

It's my belief that believers are sealed through the tribulation, up to the last day at the second coming of Jesus Christ, immediately after the tribulation.

 

[throughfaith]

You stated no believer is sealed by the holy spirit after the harpazo, when does this harpazo take place?

It's my belief that believers are sealed through the tribulation, up to the last day at the second coming of Jesus Christ, immediately after the tribulation.

I believe with the catching away happening before the trib means the Holy Spirit is no longer ' indwelling those that will go through the trib .

 

[Truth7t7]

Am done with you and your self-righteous attitude. Am sure you must be a real joy to hang out with...
Not attacking you...am confronting you. In another thread, you accused an individual of being a child (keep it on the playground). You, sir, seem to be like the school ground bully here. Am praying for you....
And with THAT...will have no further dialogue with you. Not worth risking...

Don't leave 49 we need u

Personal attacks come when a person is backed into a corner, empty and void of a debate because of presented truth.

This ain't your first rodeo is it, pick up your sword soldier and back to battle!

 

[throughfaith]

Don't leave 49 we need u

Personal attacks come when a person is backed into a corner, empty and void of a debate because of presented truth.

This ain't your first rodeo is it, pick up your sword soldier and back to battle!

Yes let's use the sword and not ad hominem.

 

[Truth7t7]

You stated no believer is sealed by the holy spirit after the harpazo, when does this harpazo take place?

It's my belief that believers are sealed through the tribulation, up to the last day at the second coming of Jesus Christ, immediately after the tribulation.

The scripture below clearly shows the 144,000 that are (Sealed) by the Holy Spirit during the tribulation, and added to the Church to preach the gospel.

Will you now create a new doctrine that God has different seals for his servants/believers to save your teaching in (Error)

Revelation 7:3KJV
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 22:4KJV
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.