What is your view of Ezekiel's Temple?

[Pilgrimshope]

People today speak in terms of the apocalypse and apocalyptic as if it means "destruction" but that is not quite right-- it simply means "a revealing" and John's book, like the others you mention are revelations of those things they saw and experienced. Those things they saw, featured destruction and very dark times prominently, so it's easy to see how it all got conflated. Yet, it's not all doom and gloom by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes-- to your second comment about the duality of heaven and earth. Folks often forget, or simply ignore that the earth and all that is in it is a reflection of those things above. Made in the image of..... on earth, as it is in heaven. But "the reality" is heavenly and spiritual. The image is just that-- a likeness. A facsimile. And while 'the actual' and enduring, eternal truth is spiritual, the copy is a cheap counterfeit. Always less, never quite right-- sometimes completely wrong-- as with that example of Moses you offered.

“People today speak in terms of the apocalypse and apocalyptic as if it means "destruction" but that is not quite right--“

yes that’s my point it’s apocalyptic literature those ancient Hebrew writings inspired by God are different from other writings.

“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

…. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:18-21, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law even speaks of the same things but in a figure a pattern of what Moses saw and was shown by God when he entered the cloud

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

moses saw the heavenly temple and was given a pattern to make one on earth where Gods glory consisted them on the day of atonement. This was true of the tabernacle the vessel the altars the ark of the covenant ect the priests also were meant to be a pattern of heavenly services reflected on earth

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

…..But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1, 11, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when you see this in revelation

“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4:2-3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

snow think of some of the patterns Moses was given to make like the lampstand and seven lamps burning before the curtain of the most holy place so that it gave light in the inner room before the mercy seat as the curtain was passed through by the high priest in the temple

Zoe how the four knops and bowls were set around the most holy place or how the seraphim’s wings were a both sides of the mercy seat where gods glory would appear …..,,I believe Moses saw a lot of what John saw but rather than a revelation he was given the pattern in the law for making the earthly te ple after what was shown to him on the Mount by God

Like a crude copy so man could begin to grasp what’s in eternity and things like the sacrificial blood of Christ could begin to be understood and taught ect but through figures in the law rather than latter revelations to people who already knew the law well

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Without wanting to complicate things-- no, I don't think in quite the same terms. John, and Ezekiel are seeing these things "in spirit." They are seeing spiritual things, a spiritual/heavenly "reality" where 'the man' they see, is by nature-- a spiritual man. Sigh. Folks have such a hard time with this, but a spiritual man is not the same as a physical man. Don't trust me on this. Look into it. It's not as if one equals the other. In fact, from the spiritual perspective-- man is a lower form. Incomplete, and even inanimate-- until animated by spirit. I can only offer what I know to be true, and folks are left to their own opinions, but from the spiritual point of view-- the spiritual man is what we would recognize or call 'an angel' or messenger. When John, or Ezekiel, or Zechariah or any other prophet talks about seeing 'a man' in spirit-- it's an angelic being.

So what then is a physical man, as seen from the spiritual perspective? Something lessor. A beast, an animal, a container, a stone, or tree, or house, or vessel. Check me.

did you notice John is given the measuring reed and told to measure the temple ? He doesn’t see someone Ezekiel sees the man John is the one measuring it is my point
I’m more about what’s in the Bible to learn to be honest. And it’s alright if you don’t think the same in everything that’s what a discussion forum usually leads to some different ideas so no worries or anything . I’m. Ot someone who needs everyone to agree or always be right about everything . What I wrote here is just an old man’s opinion about the Bible and things I’ve read and prayed about and considered over the years nothing more than that . But I do appreciate the good conversation gives me things to ponder snd look for in studies

 

[lrs68]

1. If the Antichrist goes into a Temple and sits on a Throne proclaiming to be GOD

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2. There's no Temple when New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven to earth

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3. Peter said God would purge and purify the earth with fire and there would be no more water. We can also add there won't be no human built fixtures like a Temple either

 

[MrE]

“People today speak in terms of the apocalypse and apocalyptic as if it means "destruction" but that is not quite right--“

yes that’s my point it’s apocalyptic literature those ancient Hebrew writings inspired by God are different from other writings.

“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

…. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:18-21, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law even speaks of the same things but in a figure a pattern of what Moses saw and was shown by God when he entered the cloud

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

moses saw the heavenly temple and was given a pattern to make one on earth where Gods glory consisted them on the day of atonement. This was true of the tabernacle the vessel the altars the ark of the covenant ect the priests also were meant to be a pattern of heavenly services reflected on earth

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

…..But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1, 11, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when you see this in revelation

“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4:2-3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

snow think of some of the patterns Moses was given to make like the lampstand and seven lamps burning before the curtain of the most holy place so that it gave light in the inner room before the mercy seat as the curtain was passed through by the high priest in the temple

Zoe how the four knops and bowls were set around the most holy place or how the seraphim’s wings were a both sides of the mercy seat where gods glory would appear …..,,I believe Moses saw a lot of what John saw but rather than a revelation he was given the pattern in the law for making the earthly te ple after what was shown to him on the Mount by God

Like a crude copy so man could begin to grasp what’s in eternity and things like the sacrificial blood of Christ could begin to be understood and taught ect but through figures in the law rather than latter revelations to people who already knew the law well

Yes-- excellent. "An example and shadow" -- of those heavenly things. That's it-- the "reality" is heavenly and spiritual, the earthly is a likeness-- as you say, a "crude copy" of those things above. If you had a vivid dream, or a bunch of them and you took the time to journal the things you saw.... some of them fantastic beyond words so as to be indescribable-- how would you describe those things? You would say you saw-- blah blah blah (fill in the blanks) and then say--- "it was like...." And then you would create an association with something familiar, to describe that thing you simply can't describe. This is what we see over and over from the prophets-- they do their best to say what it is they saw and experienced.

For example-- in Ezekiel 10, he sees four cherubim-- saying I saw something that was a living creature that was like a lion, the second like a calf, the third had a face like a man, and the fourth was like an eagle in flight...

These are not the things he saw-- these are examples he uses to describe what he saw-- he creates an association for us, who didn't see what he saw.

 

[homwardbound]

Insightful, thank you seeing
John 4:23-24 we are called to be dead to the first birth willingly, between God and self to see new and call everything else dung to win in the risen Son for us as Paul describes to me in Phil 3 thanks for some clarity

 

[MrE]

Insightful, thank you seeing
John 4:23-24 we are called to be dead to the first birth willingly, between God and self to see new and call everything else dung to win in the risen Son for us as Paul describes to me in Phil 3 thanks for some clarity

Yes-- to see "in spirit" is to see "in truth." They are one and the same.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes-- excellent. "An example and shadow" -- of those heavenly things. That's it-- the "reality" is heavenly and spiritual, the earthly is a likeness-- as you say, a "crude copy" of those things above. If you had a vivid dream, or a bunch of them and you took the time to journal the things you saw.... some of them fantastic beyond words so as to be indescribable-- how would you describe those things? You would say you saw-- blah blah blah (fill in the blanks) and then say--- "it was like...." And then you would create an association with something familiar, to describe that thing you simply can't describe. This is what we see over and over from the prophets-- they do their best to say what it is they saw and experienced.

For example-- in Ezekiel 10, he sees four cherubim-- saying I saw something that was a living creature that was like a lion, the second like a calf, the third had a face like a man, and the fourth was like an eagle in flight...

These are not the things he saw-- these are examples he uses to describe what he saw-- he creates an association for us, who didn't see what he saw.

Well said

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes-- excellent. "An example and shadow" -- of those heavenly things. That's it-- the "reality" is heavenly and spiritual, the earthly is a likeness-- as you say, a "crude copy" of those things above. If you had a vivid dream, or a bunch of them and you took the time to journal the things you saw.... some of them fantastic beyond words so as to be indescribable-- how would you describe those things? You would say you saw-- blah blah blah (fill in the blanks) and then say--- "it was like...." And then you would create an association with something familiar, to describe that thing you simply can't describe. This is what we see over and over from the prophets-- they do their best to say what it is they saw and experienced.

For example-- in Ezekiel 10, he sees four cherubim-- saying I saw something that was a living creature that was like a lion, the second like a calf, the third had a face like a man, and the fourth was like an eagle in flight...

These are not the things he saw-- these are examples he uses to describe what he saw-- he creates an association for us, who didn't see what he saw.

amen it sort of unfolds and is more revealed and more revealed as time went on through the prophets it as we’ve been saying the macro vision of what was going to happen remained constant only the focus changed as they were being fulfilled.

even things like this often God said in the ot that because the prophets of je ri Salem had profaned the covenant and began to speak out of tbier own heart and not speaking his word he said he would give them judgement that was like wormwood and thier doctrine would poison the people and many would die. Being led astray ect then in revelation you see the star fall called wornwood that makes the waters bitter and many die because of the poisoned waters

i and it’s just my opinion again but I think that revelation is understood through those ot prophets figures and shadows as your saying there so that when you get to the next segment of the story you understand from what is built up by what you were explaining here

“These are not the things he saw-- these are examples he uses to describe what he saw-- he creates an association for us, who didn't see what he saw”

those figure in my opinion are what makes revelation make any sense heres one good example John sees the two witnesses but he doesn’t see two olive trees he just says “ these are the two olive trees standing before the lord of the earth “

john is making a direct reference to what zechariah saw here

“Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:11, 14‬ ‭

See John hears much more about the two witnesses mission but he never sees two olive trees he’s in effect saying to the reader “ these two witnesses are those two olive trees zechariah saw standing before the lord of the earth “

“And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. ( this is what I meant that ezekiel may have seen a vision of John with the measuring Reed measuring the temple )

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I really believe that revelation can be understood better but not without the prophets because they build from aoacalyptic writings in the ot that basis for inderrrsnding what the figures mean in the revelation or “the apocalypse of John “

 

[MrE]

i and it’s just my opinion again but I think that revelation is understood through those ot prophets figures and shadows as your saying there so that when you get to the next segment of the story you understand from what is built up by what you were explaining here

“These are not the things he saw-- these are examples he uses to describe what he saw-- he creates an association for us, who didn't see what he saw”

those figure in my opinion are what makes revelation make any sense heres one good example John sees the two witnesses but he doesn’t see two olive trees he just says “ these are the two olive trees standing before the lord of the earth “

john is making a direct reference to what zechariah saw here

Yes, and the same with respect to the horses. John sees at another time and from another perspective, the horses that Zechariah mentions. 400 years or so between the two visions? -Like the blink of an eye.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, and the same with respect to the horses. John sees at another time and from another perspective, the horses that Zechariah mentions. 400 years or so between the two visions? -Like the blink of an eye.

Yes exactly regarding the vision of the four sets of horses and chariots and then later John sees the four horses with firther revelation of what they are going out into the earth to accomplish ….

“And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them ( the four horsemen in the first four seals ) over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of course at the end when Jesus returns from heaven they end also

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭

those riders of course is the point that first zechariah sees as four chariots pulled by four sets of horses and then he finds out they are the four spirits of the heavens sent out into all corners of the earth then later you see four angels standing on the four corners of the earth waiting to destroy and kill ect it’s really neat how the bi ke unfolds in tbat manner of prophecy I enjoy it a lot

 

[homwardbound]

Yes-- to see "in spirit" is to see "in truth." They are one and the same.

As I am in process too, putting behind me, what is behind me, standing in thanksgiving and praise all sin taken away to not be led away in stress anymore over making mistakes, Learning from them all willingly as Daddy, PaPa,. Father and Son as Risen for us all, has never failed me, I have failed me and others I put trust in, have and I hold. nothing against anyone anymore.
Seeing truth I am not perfect, nor is any other but Father of / in the risen Son Jesus to me at least. Talk about set free and learning this in humility, standing in the unfathomable love I was first born in. Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

amen it sort of unfolds and is more revealed and more revealed as time went on through the prophets it as we’ve been saying the macro vision of what was going to happen remained constant only the focus changed as they were being fulfilled.

even things like this often God said in the ot that because the prophets of je ri Salem had profaned the covenant and began to speak out of tbier own heart and not speaking his word he said he would give them judgement that was like wormwood and thier doctrine would poison the people and many would die. Being led astray ect then in revelation you see the star fall called wornwood that makes the waters bitter and many die because of the poisoned waters

i and it’s just my opinion again but I think that revelation is understood through those ot prophets figures and shadows as your saying there so that when you get to the next segment of the story you understand from what is built up by what you were explaining here

“These are not the things he saw-- these are examples he uses to describe what he saw-- he creates an association for us, who didn't see what he saw”

those figure in my opinion are what makes revelation make any sense heres one good example John sees the two witnesses but he doesn’t see two olive trees he just says “ these are the two olive trees standing before the lord of the earth “

john is making a direct reference to what zechariah saw here

“Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:11, 14‬ ‭

See John hears much more about the two witnesses mission but he never sees two olive trees he’s in effect saying to the reader “ these two witnesses are those two olive trees zechariah saw standing before the lord of the earth “

“And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. ( this is what I meant that ezekiel may have seen a vision of John with the measuring Reed measuring the temple )

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I really believe that revelation can be understood better but not without the prophets because they build from aoacalyptic writings in the ot that basis for inderrrsnding what the figures mean in the revelation or “the apocalypse of John “

Authorized (King James) Version

John 3:12

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

 

[Suze]

For me , the big question is : who is ' the prince ' ? ( Ezekiel Ch 46 ) . Who else can it b other than Jesus ? This isn't a rhetorical question , who do u think the prince is ? I'm sure it's Jesus . So based on that being the case this is what I believe about the temple in Ezekiel . It is the temple where the humans that live during the one thousand year reign of Christ on earth , will offer their sacrifices . Revelation Ch 20 verses 10- 15 . Why do these humans need to offer sacrifices ? Because they r not living in faith , they don't have faith in Jesus , he's all they have ever known , they've never walked in the wilderness of these kingdoms of men , by faith like we have to . They r more like the Israelites that wandered in the desert for forty years with the pillar of light during the night and the pillar of cloud by day , they don't need to believe , they can see Jesus in person with their own eyes just as the Israelites saw the salvation of God every day in those pillars and in the mana that God provided for them every day , they didn't need faith they had evidence and so will the humans who live during the one thousand year reign . And just like those Israelites rebelled against God even though they could c the salvation of God , so will those humans rebel at the end of the one thousand years , Rev Ch 20 V 7-15 . Then cometh the end 1st Corinthians Ch 15 v 12-28 and v 35-57 .

 

[birdie]

Ezekiel's temple was never built, and the New Jerusalem does not have a temple, except God Himself (Rev. 21:22). Some people think it is a millennial temple, but Ezekiel 43:7 says it is where God will dwell forever, so it doesn't seem like something temporary before the New Jerusalem comes. I think the only way to reconcile Ezekiel's temple with the New Testament is to understand it symbolically, especially since it prescribes sin offerings (Ezekiel 40:39; 42:13; 43:19, 21, 22, 25, 27; 44:29; 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25; 46:20), which are no longer required (Heb. 10:18). But what does it symbolize?

I can think of one thing peculiar about Ezekiel's temple when I consider the exits and entrances (Ezekiel 43:11), that many words are spent describing gates and walls preventing unauthorized access. Gates and walls are exactly what we see in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:12-15, 21, 25; 22:14). Nothing that defiles can enter it (Rev. 21:27). Also, the temple and the city in Ezekiel 48:30-35 are merged into the New Jerusalem when God dwells with men (Rev. 21:3).

What do you think?

Thanks so much greenonions, for pointing out that the Bible is describing spiritual things by the physical descriptions in the surface text (Psalm 78:1-2, Mark 4:34). The book of Ezekiel was written to a rebellious house in hopes that they might hear. The temple is a picture - a picture of Christ and the believers as they are in a pure and true sense, in a spiritual sense. The picture is provided to the rebellious house in the hopes that they would see the way they are supposed to be in Christ. So, the temple is not describing a physical building. Neither is it describing a bad thing. It is describing the good, in hopes that the rebellious would turn to God.

The book of Ezekiel tells us, "And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day. For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them. And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious. But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee. "

The wording used to describe the house beginning around chapter 40 or so of Ezekiel is describing good things. For example, walls in the Bible can represent salvation. When we find measurements, it can be a picture of the measure of faith God gives to each true believer. When we hear about the direction east, we know that that is speaking about the direction of Christ. Indeed, the sun, which is a picture of Christ, rises in the east. And the People of the East mentioned in Genesis are a picture of the people of Christ. When we read about seven steps, it is highlighting the number seven, a picture of Christ having done all of the work, whilst we rest in him. And so forth.

 

[homwardbound]

For me , the big question is : who is ' the prince ' ? ( Ezekiel Ch 46 ) . Who else can it b other than Jesus ? This isn't a rhetorical question , who do u think the prince is ? I'm sure it's Jesus . So based on that being the case this is what I believe about the temple in Ezekiel . It is the temple where the humans that live during the one thousand year reign of Christ on earth , will offer their sacrifices . Revelation Ch 20 verses 10- 15 . Why do these humans need to offer sacrifices ? Because they r not living in faith , they don't have faith in Jesus , he's all they have ever known , they've never walked in the wilderness of these kingdoms of men , by faith like we have to . They r more like the Israelites that wandered in the desert for forty years with the pillar of light during the night and the pillar of cloud by day , they don't need to believe , they can see Jesus in person with their own eyes just as the Israelites saw the salvation of God every day in those pillars and in the mana that God provided for them every day , they didn't need faith they had evidence and so will the humans who live during the one thousand year reign . And just like those Israelites rebelled against God even though they could c the salvation of God , so will those humans rebel at the end of the one thousand years , Rev Ch 20 V 7-15 . Then cometh the end 1st Corinthians Ch 15 v 12-28 and v 35-57 .

Interesting, however it all plays out, it will play out, the same as when Son came, he was not believed by the majority, then this Gospel of God's Only Son's Purpose Eternal Life for us all to choose to believe it or not consciously as I suspect you have and thank you for that.
The mysteries of God will not ever get figured out, until Daddy Father reveals them
What is revealed today to me is He, Jesus is risen, where Father, Daddy, PaPa gives (Gift) new life to us that are sincere between God and them.
I do like what you have said about it and see it as a good possibility, however it plays out I trust God and see to not get any unrealistic expectations over my own scenarios or others as well.
Whenever "I" got "I" got it, that is it, in any future event, many a time, I got disappointed in expecting it to play out as I then thought and it did not.
So, I quit conjecturing as in being assured in the future it will play out as I think it will. I can't turn one hair on my head white or black in an instant.
What has played out is: Christ's death took away all sin in his Father's sight for us all. Then risen where Daddy, PaPa gives new life in our Souls to do right over wrong, no matter what, to me anyways. No negotiating as the first birth continues to do. No flesh fights, no you wrong I am right attitudes that cause and bring on wars and even rumors of wars
Thanks for your view Suze, I do like it

 

[MrE]

Thanks so much greenonions, for pointing out that the Bible is describing spiritual things by the physical descriptions in the surface text (Psalm 78:1-2, Mark 4:34). The book of Ezekiel was written to a rebellious house in hopes that they might hear. The temple is a picture - a picture of Christ and the believers as they are in a pure and true sense, in a spiritual sense. The picture is provided to the rebellious house in the hopes that they would see the way they are supposed to be in Christ. So, the temple is not describing a physical building. Neither is it describing a bad thing. It is describing the good, in hopes that the rebellious would turn to God.

I like this birdie--

It's a house that we are a part of. Not as occupants, or residents, but as building material. Peter describes believers as "living stones" in the same way that Jesus nicknamed him "Rock" and said "upon this rock I will build my house."

In God’s sight, you yourselves, as living stones, are built up as a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood and to offer spiritual sacrifices that are acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it says in scripture, “Look, I lay in Zion a stone, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and whoever believes in him will never be put to shame.”

The Christ dwells in us. That is the true meaning of the church-- as the body of Christ. It's a mistake to think of it as a building or organization. It's Christ in us-- in spirit, through whom we can approach the Father-- in spirit and it is through Christ that we are joined with him. (Eph 2:19)

Through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer foreigners and noncitizens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, because you have been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. In him the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

 

[MrE]

1 Cor 3:16

Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?

2 Cor 6:16

For we are the temple of the living God, just as God said, “I will live in them and will walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”

So there is there is a physical temple on earth--- meaningless.


But Jesus was speaking about the temple of his body.