What is the "unpardonable" sin?

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Mercy4u said:
I do not believe that there is a unpardonable sin today. Salvation is open for all till their last breath. No one is excluded from salvation "at some point" in their life. The chance to believe and be saved is open for all as long as we are alive.

The blasphemy of the Spirit cannot be duplicated today. The blasphemy of the Spirit was being face to face with the Lord Jesus Christ and personally attributing His works to satan.

Matt 12
23 All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the aSon of David, can he?”
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man acasts out demons only by 1Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

The gospel is equal privilege, equal opportunity to all in todays Church.

John 7:37

New American Standard Bible
Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.


Notice Christ does not say, " if anyone, other than those who have committed the unpardonable sin, is thirsty, let Him come to me and drink."

And "thirsty" is analogous to equal privilege, equal opportunity to all. Everyone gets thirsty, and everyone must drink to stay alive. It is not the drinking that has the merit,anyone can drink. It is the object(water/Christ) that has the merit.
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I will only disagree with your one sentence - "I do not believe that there is a unpardonable sin today."

If one dies without having received Christ as their Savior - then I believe that is unpardonable. Yes, salvation is open to everyone yet there are many who say "there is no God." They will not accept God's offering of salvation.
 
polychoroprene said:
hmm, okay, all these discussion sparks one question in me, how do we know if we've done this unpardonable sin? can we examine our selves for this?
I've seen believers in time of tribulation becomes frustrated from waiting GOD's intervention that never comes, and in frustration, they curse God..."GOD, you (put body parts or animal names here)...." you get the idea. is that unpardonable sin? remember, this is done by believers, that already accepted Jesus as Son of GOD and savior
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God understands our weakness in times of tribulations. God knows we "are but dust" and He knows our human part ofttimes overcomes our spiritual part. I'm in belief that anyone who has gone through severe tribulation has at one time or another wonders where is God?

[h=1]Mark 9:23-25New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “If you can believe,[SUP][a][/SUP] all things are possible to him who believes.”
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”
 
polychoroprene said:
hmm, okay, all these discussion sparks one question in me, how do we know if we've done this unpardonable sin? can we examine our selves for this?
I've seen believers in time of tribulation becomes frustrated from waiting GOD's intervention that never comes, and in frustration, they curse God..."GOD, you (put body parts or animal names here)...." you get the idea. is that unpardonable sin? remember, this is done by believers, that already accepted Jesus as Son of GOD and savior
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The classic answer to your question, which I agree with, is that if you are concerned you committed the unpardonable sin then that almost assures that you haven't.

Those that have committed that sin don't care the tiniest bit about committing it. They either blatantly live their lives in sin and not caring or believing they will be held accountable for their sin, or, like the Pharisees, are so convinced THEIR way to the Father is correct, that they close off even the possibility that Jesus is God in the flesh, come to die for their sin, and proving He was God, and we have eternal life through Him by rising to life on the 3rd day.
 
Mercy4u said:
I do not believe that there is a unpardonable sin today. Salvation is open for all till their last breath. No one is excluded from salvation "at some point" in their life. The chance to believe and be saved is open for all as long as we are alive.

The blasphemy of the Spirit cannot be duplicated today. The blasphemy of the Spirit was being face to face with the Lord Jesus Christ and personally attributing His works to satan.

Matt 12
23 All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the aSon of David, can he?”
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man acasts out demons only by 1Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

The gospel is equal privilege, equal opportunity to all in todays Church.

John 7:37

New American Standard Bible
Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.


Notice Christ does not say, " if anyone, other than those who have committed the unpardonable sin, is thirsty, let Him come to me and drink."

And "thirsty" is analogous to equal privilege, equal opportunity to all. Everyone gets thirsty, and everyone must drink to stay alive. It is not the drinking that has the merit,anyone can drink. It is the object(water/Christ) that has the merit.
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Just a question nobody seems to be able to answer regarding this topic.

Why would Jesus be telling the Pharisees what Blaspheming the Holy Spirit was, if the Holy Spirit had not been given yet?
The Pharisees probably had not idea what he was talking about, and were probably like this:

What is this Holy Spirit you speak of!?!?

So who was Jesus talking about the Holy Spirit to?
 
beastslayer1970 said:
Just a question nobody seems to be able to answer regarding this topic.

Why would Jesus be telling the Pharisees what Blaspheming the Holy Spirit was, if the Holy Spirit had not been given yet?
The Pharisees probably had not idea what he was talking about, and were probably like this:

What is this Holy Spirit you speak of!?!?

So who was Jesus talking about the Holy Spirit to?
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They knew of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit came upon men in the OT, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit was a new/mystery that was about to be revealed.

Psalm51:11

New American Standard Bible
Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
 
star said:
^^^^^ beastslayer1970 - would it not still be a matter of denying Christ?
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The Holy Spirit convicting you of SIN and the need for the Savior is an ongoing thing. People that refuse the conviction of the Holy Spirit many times, can chose at any time to receive.

This is why I do not believe that Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is denying the Holy Spirit conviction about your need for the Savior.

The whole reason Jesus talked about this, is because the pharisees accused Jesus of working a miracle through demonic powers and not the power and anointing of the Holy Spirit. They were not denying Jesus, they had already denied Jesus.

When a person today says that the ministry of the Holy Spirit is a work of the devil, they have not denied Jesus, they are blaspheming the power of the Holy Spirit to work through people, which he always does.
 
Mercy4u said:
They knew of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit came upon men in the OT, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit was a new/mystery that was about to be revealed.

Psalm51:11

New American Standard Bible
Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
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Upon is not indwelling, right? And we are talking the Pharisees,not the disciples.
I doubt the Pharisees knew of the Ruach.



The only man in the Old Covenant that had both the Spirit upon and within was Jesus Christ.
 
Why would Jesus be telling the Pharisees what Blaspheming the Holy Spirit was, if the Holy Spirit had not been given yet?
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Since the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost at each believer's salvation was to be given by the Father after Jesus's ascension, it was the Pharisees attributing Jesus casting out devils by another demon that was done in their striving against the Spirit of God, so as to not to believe in Him which is why it was an unforgivable sin; the only sin that the Holy Spirit will convict sinners of that matters in the end.
 
beastslayer1970 said:
The Holy Spirit convicting you of SIN and the need for the Savior is an ongoing thing. People that refuse the conviction of the Holy Spirit many times, can chose at any time to receive.

This is why I do not believe that Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is denying the Holy Spirit conviction about your need for the Savior.

The whole reason Jesus talked about this, is because the pharisees accused Jesus of working a miracle through demonic powers and not the power and anointing of the Holy Spirit. They were not denying Jesus, they had already denied Jesus.

When a person today says that the ministry of the Holy Spirit is a work of the devil, they have not denied Jesus, they are blaspheming the power of the Holy Spirit to work through people, which he always does.
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You have very good reasoning here. I would say that both denying the work of the HS and denying God are both going to bring a person to a tragic end.
 
star said:
If I understand scripture correctly, there is only one unpardonable sin. The sin of unbelief. I can be wrong of course. What say you?
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AMEN...to attribute the work of Christ on our behalf to the power of the devil instead of the Holy Spirit is in essence to deny JESUS and his sacrifice...one that will not acknowledge Christ and his work on their behalf as from God will die in their sins unforgiven.....
 
beastslayer1970 said:
Upon is not indwelling, right? And we are talking the Pharisees,not the disciples.
I doubt the Pharisees knew of the Ruach.
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The Pharisees drove out demons. By the power of the holy Spirit.

Hence the Lord's question to them:

New American Standard Bible
"If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.

If Jesus cast out demons by the power of satan, then the Pharisees must cast out demons by the power of satan.And they would NEVER have that attached to them.

Jesus Christ was showing them their irrational thinking.



 
Mercy4u said:
The Pharisees drove out demons. By the power of the holy Spirit.

Hence the Lord's question to them:

New American Standard Bible
"If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.

If Jesus cast out demons by the power of satan, then the Pharisees must cast out demons by the power of satan.And they would NEVER have that attached to them.

Jesus Christ was showing them their irrational thinking.



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Thanks for the Answer.
 
star said:
An interesting observation.

However, whenever we humans stand in opposition to God's plan/purpose, we reap the consequences for sure. But, to me, if we turn and repent - we are forgiven. At least that is how I see it.
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There is a difference between sinning in an imperfect or ignorant state and deliberate indifference in a will to act against God. Consider the case of Pharaoh. How many opportunities does one need? There was no misunderstanding as to what was required and who required it. Moses then determined with emphasis that Pharaoh would not be seen again.

Consider the degree of justice which would apply to the taking of a life when comparing Involuntary Manslaughter to Premeditated Murder. The outcome is the same but the motive is different. One can be excused to a degree while the other should not. Otherwise, there is no such thing as justice.
 
Nessuno said:
There is a difference between sinning in an imperfect or ignorant state and deliberate indifference in a will to act against God. Consider the case of Pharaoh. How many opportunities does one need? There was no misunderstanding as to what was required and who required it. Moses then determined with emphasis that Pharaoh would not be seen again.

Consider the degree of justice which would apply to the taking of a life when comparing Involuntary Manslaughter to Premeditated Murder. The outcome is the same but the motive is different. One can be excused to a degree while the other should not. Otherwise, there is no such thing as justice.
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Sins of omission, sins of commission, intentional sin, unintentional sin. In the eyes of God all is sin.

Forgiveness is from God. No matter what sin we commit. to God it is despicable.

The consequences of sin differes depending upon the sin itself. Justice comes from God. But praise God He is also merciful.

When God forgives, that is it. He covers our sin and sees it no more. Praise God for His mercy.
 
star said:
Sins of omission, sins of commission, intentional sin, unintentional sin. In the eyes of God all is sin.

Forgiveness is from God. No matter what sin we commit. to God it is despicable.

The consequences of sin differes depending upon the sin itself. Justice comes from God. But praise God He is also merciful.

When God forgives, that is it. He covers our sin and sees it no more. Praise God for His mercy.
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Yet only one type is unforgivable and that was the question you posed. It isn't that hard to figure.
 
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What is the "unpardonable" sin?

Cessationism and those who quote scripture to "prove" the supposed
cessation of the apostolic gospel preached by Jesus and the epistle writers
often entails blasphemies against the Holy Spirit and the truth of the
scriptures.

Many cessationists attribute the miracles, healings and gifts of Pentecostal
Christians as belonging to Satan and thereby the works of Satan.
Exactly the same assertion of using the power of Satan to deceive levelled
against Jesus by the Pharisees in respect to his miracles and healings.
 
The only problem with this is the fact that Jesus did not say "whoever rejects me", but "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit".

Your explanation got too far away from the context. Even though I think that what you wrote is right, I do not think it fits exactly this verse.
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It boils down to walking by faith after the unseen eternal (non forgivable) because it by the unseen is that by which we do know Christ. No faith no Christ .

or walking by sight after the temporal natural man. God does not accept faith in respect to that seen.

To reject His work of faith is to blaspheme.Which to attribute the work of a truth to another god or person .To blaspheme a person a person denies Christ not seen as the true mediator between God and man.

Blasphemy against that seen, men will be forgiven if the person has been born again. Christ cannot deny him is own-self if he has paid the wage of his sin.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit not seen will not be forgiven.

In the flesh as the Son of man he rejected worship in respect to that seen. He had limitations and things he could not be perform while he was here in the flesh.

Blasphemy was forgiven against Peter because the Holy Spirit was still being represented in respect to the flesh.

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

When Christ left because he is not a man as us all blasphemy will be against the Holy Spirit. He will not appear in the flesh ever again.
 
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star said:
If I understand scripture correctly, there is only one unpardonable sin. The sin of unbelief. I can be wrong of course. What say you?
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The unpardonable sin for one of Gods elect to refuse the holy spirit to talk through them when they are brought to prison for refusing to worship satan who will claim to be Christ at the end of this age. Luke 12:10-12. God bless
 
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