Those aren't gifts wherein the Holy Spirit performs miraculouslyThey wouldn't fall into the 1 co 12:8-10 category. The others I mean are more like helps, administration, evangelism, teaching, discernment. Some listed further in 1 co 12.
Those aren't gifts wherein the Holy Spirit performs miraculouslyThey wouldn't fall into the 1 co 12:8-10 category. The others I mean are more like helps, administration, evangelism, teaching, discernment. Some listed further in 1 co 12.
You need to become teachable. There is absolutely nothing in God's word that states that the gifts have ceased. They will eventually. If what we see now is perfection, then I'm Paddington Bear.I don't need Derek whomever. I believe the Word of God which is clear. Gifts have ended and are no longer necessary. Apostles are dead and Gifts cannot be enabled as a result thereof. That's very clear by scripture irrespective of what anyone says including Derek or you. Believe what you like.
I always seek knowledge, but teachable?? I don't think so. I rely on my own abilities to read and understand the word of God.You need to become teachable. There is absolutely nothing in God's word that states that the gifts have ceased. They will eventually. If what we see now is perfection, then I'm Paddington Bear.
Reality says that gifts have not ended. Abused, confused, misunderstood, yes. And obviously, in some cases, ignored. However, the real does exist and is necessary. A timely word of knowledge can save someone from a world of of hurt. A prophecy can encourage a struggling believer. We had a young couple in our small fellowship. My wife told me that they would be leaving. I was most surprised. They seemed very much committed. A couple of years later, they were gone.
Perhaps you are so mighty in God that you need no one to help you, lead you or guide you. Good for you. Lesser mortals like myself have yet to arrive at perfection in holiness.
It's one thing to say that you do not know. You attribute what may well be of God to the devil. You'll have fun explaining that on judgement day.I don't know what you mean by "ministry gifts", but if it falls into the category of 1corinthians 12:8-10, it ain't happening. No man has power from God today to do by his own doing, anything of a miraculous nature. There are strange, unexplainable things done all the time by virtue of the devil, like those done in voodoo, but not of God.
And that is why you get things so wrong. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to lead us into the truth. Your Bible says that too. Spiritual things are understood spiritually. The intellect is extremely limited.I always seek knowledge, but teachable?? I don't think so. I rely on my own abilities to read and understand the word of God.
And that is why you get things so wrong. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to lead us into the truth. Your Bible says that too. Spiritual things are understood spiritually. The intellect is extremely limited.I always seek knowledge, but teachable?? I don't think so. I rely on my own abilities to read and understand the word of God.
Take a hikeIt's one thing to say that you do not know. You attribute what may well be of God to the devil. You'll have fun explaining that on judgement day.
And that is why you get things so wrong. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to lead us into the truth. Your Bible says that too. Spiritual things are understood spiritually. The intellect is extremely limited.
"And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words." 1 Corinthians 2:13
The next verse explains the difference: "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.…"
If all you employ is your intellect, you are functioning as a natural man. It's no wonder that you reject the manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
Such a profound response. Don't worry, I won't try to help you any more.Take a hike
Good. Just get lostSuch a profound response. Don't worry, I won't try to help you any more.
I hope you don’t mean that spiritually!
Not in the very leastI hope you don’t mean that spiritually!
Noah had already found grace in the eyes of the Lord and was a just man who walked with God and a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5) before he built the ark. (Genesis 6:8,9) Noah's obedience was a demonstration of his faith but not the origin of it. Building the ark saved Noah and his family physically from drowning. (Hebrews 11:7)
Paul said, we are saved by grace through faith, NOT works (Ephesians 2:8,9) yet you say we are saved by grace through faith AND works. Who should I believe? The apostle Paul or you? Faith and works do not work together in order to obtain salvation. (Romans 4:2-6) That is your eisegesis. So, salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. To believe anything else is to miss salvation/miss the boat.
In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6 (also see Romans 4:2-3) many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. (James 2:18) That is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." (James 2:21) He was shown to be righteous.
In James 2:22, works bear out the justification that already came through faith and faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It does not mean that Abraham was finally saved many years later based on merits of his works after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.
In James 2:23 the scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous based on his faith (Genesis 15:6) not his works (Romans 4:2-3) long before he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22.
You are equating "the Church" (the Body of Christ) with the local assembly. They are not necessarily the same. See Revelation 2 & 3.
Yes, but delete the word "catholic" in your last statement. That's a man made-up word that doesn't reflect the true nature of the biblical church, nor is it structured or governed scripturally."A local church" is composed of many members of "the church" or spiritual body of Christ,
and many "a local" churches comprise "the" catholic/worldwide/whole church/body of Christ.
The word "catholic" with a lower case c simply means universal, relating to all people, as in the Apostles' Creed which says, "I believe in ......the holy catholic Church." It's not talking about the Roman Catholic denomination. We can even say in English things like, "His musical tastes were catholic," meaning that he likes all kinds of music. So "catholic" does not mean "Roman Catholic."Yes, but delete the word "catholic" in your last statement. That's a man made-up word that doesn't reflect the true nature of the biblical church, nor is it structured or governed scripturally.
It's all man-made-up unscriptural nonsense as is the apostle's creed which is unscriptural.The word "catholic" with a lower case c simply means universal, relating to all people, as in the Apostles' Creed which says, "I believe in ......the holy catholic Church." It's not talking about the Roman Catholic denomination. We can even say in English things like, "His musical tastes were catholic," meaning that he likes all kinds of music. So "catholic" does not mean "Roman Catholic."
Yes, but delete the word "catholic" in your last statement. That's a man made-up word that doesn't reflect the true nature of the biblical church, nor is it structured or governed scripturally.
What is unscriptural or nonsense about using the English word "catholic"? It means "world-wide". Is the church world-wide? Yes, and that is scriptural:It's all man-made-up unscriptural nonsense as is the apostle's creed which is unscriptural.
What is unscriptural or nonsense about using the English word "catholic"? It means "world-wide". Is the church world-wide? Yes, and that is scriptural:
“And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,” (Re 5:9 NKJV)
As I said, "catholic" with a small c has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic denomination.
What is unscriptural about the Apostles' Creed? Here it is - perhaps you could tell us which things it says which are not in the bible:
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.
'katholikos' is not in the bible. And the apostle's creed is a writing created after scripture and not part of it although it may simply restate what is in scripture with other subtle inferences intended. Citing or reciting a statement or phrase repetitively is of no value, no different than praying the rosary, or preconceived prayers, all useless and not from the heart: All show, no different than what the Lord criticized the hypocrites of doing, praying in public, vain repetitions, etc. And it's origins are Roman. Small 'c' , capitalized 'c', doesn't matter, still has the inference and reference to the catholic Catholic Church.