Exactly! Do you care to defuse them?
In the first place, None of them are saying that.
Exactly! Do you care to defuse them?
The body of Christ, is Christ's church, also known as "the kingdom of God", "Christ's bride", "the new Jerusalem", "the church of the first born", "the church of God", "the church of Christ", "Zion", "Israel" as the house of Jacob/Israel, and more.I asked "Which scripture calls the Body of Christ as the new Israel?"
Are you answering that question with these scripture?
Do you care to explain what they do say?In the first place, None of them are saying that.
"God works in people already saved" is a true statement. You are not as dumb in the knowledge of the scriptures, as you try to present yourself to be. You seem to be entertained by toying with people's explanations.You seem to seeing something in the scriptures where a specific thing happens then deducting this always happens, same wa
No it doesn't say anything about salvation . God works in people ALREADY saved .
Sometimes it's helpful to walk through stuff rather than just blanket statements and posts. I'm learning like everyone else ."God works in people already saved" is a true statement. You are not as dumb in the knowledge of the scriptures, as you try to present yourself to be. You seem to be entertained by toying with people's explanations.
Still applying your interpretation of 1 Cor. 2:14, no one can be saved....We were all born into this world as natural beings. Here is the only way that as a natural man we can be saved; 1. Christ died as a sacrifice to God for the payment of the sins of those that God gave to him. Sometime in their lifespan, God quickened them to a spiritual life Eph 2:1 and quickened them together with Christ, putting the Holy Spirit within them, Eph 2:5.
Notice in verse 1 that this quickening took place while the natural man was still spiritually dead in his sins. and had nothing to do with him being quickened. That's why it is referred to as a gift of God. It is by God's sovereign grace, without any help from man.
What the context shows that this 'quickening' is through faith.We were all born into this world as natural beings. Here is the only way that as a natural man we can be saved; 1. Christ died as a sacrifice to God for the payment of the sins of those that God gave to him. Sometime in their lifespan, God quickened them to a spiritual life Eph 2:1 and quickened them together with Christ, putting the Holy Spirit within them, Eph 2:5.
Notice in verse 1 that this quickening took place while the natural man was still spiritually dead in his sins. and had nothing to do with him being quickened. That's why it is referred to as a gift of God. It is by God's sovereign grace, without any help from man.
What the context shows that this 'quickening' is through faith.
Scripture please. Scripture proves scripture.What the context shows that this 'quickening' is through faith.
Also, I think what throws most sincere christians off, to thinking that "their faith" saves them is Eph 2:8, but the faith mentioned in this verse is "the faith of Jesus Christ". Gal 2:16 will harmonize with this truth; Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law (their faith), but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ.Yes the faithfulness of God's labor of love does the work of quickening in natural man, to both will and and empower us to do the good pleasure . We are to believe without murmuring. Not like Jonas who was stubbornly moved against his own will .But like our example Jesus who drank the cup delighting to do the will of the father.
The daily bread we receive from heaven builds a lasting faith .
John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
The KJV says faith "OF" Jesus Christ, yet numerous other translations say faith "IN" Jesus Christ.Also, I think what throws most sincere christians off, to thinking that "their faith" saves them is Eph 2:8, but the faith mentioned in this verse is "the faith of Jesus Christ". Gal 2:16 will harmonize with this truth; Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law (their faith), but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ.
Also, I think what throws most sincere christians off, to thinking that "their faith" saves them is Eph 2:8, but the faith mentioned in this verse is "the faith of Jesus Christ". Gal 2:16 will harmonize with this truth; Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law (their faith), but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ.
The KJV says faith "OF" Jesus Christ, yet numerous other translations say faith "IN" Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2:16 (ESV) - yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith "IN" Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith "IN" Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (NAS) - nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith "IN" Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith "IN" Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (NKJV) - knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith "IN" Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith "IN" Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (NIV) - know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith "IN" Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith "IN" Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Jesus Christ is the author and finished of "OUR" faith.. (Hebrews 12:2)
In 1 Peter 1:9, we read - receiving the end of "YOUR" faith—the salvation of your souls.
Believers exercise faith "IN" Jesus Christ.
I am aware of the other versions that have changed the wording, I believe that the KJV most closely harmonizes the scriptures.The KJV says faith "OF" Jesus Christ, yet numerous other translations say faith "IN" Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2:16 (ESV) - yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith "IN" Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith "IN" Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (NAS) - nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith "IN" Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith "IN" Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (NKJV) - knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith "IN" Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith "IN" Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (NIV) - know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith "IN" Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith "IN" Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Jesus Christ is the author and finished of "OUR" faith.. (Hebrews 12:2)
In 1 Peter 1:9, we read - receiving the end of "YOUR" faith—the salvation of your souls.
Believers exercise faith "IN" Jesus Christ.
I am aware of the other versions that have changed the wording, I believe that the KJV most closely harmonizes the scriptures.
Scripture please. Scripture proves scripture.
What the context shows that this 'quickening' is through faith.
Also, I think what throws most sincere christians off, to thinking that "their faith" saves them is Eph 2:8, but the faith mentioned in this verse is "the faith of Jesus Christ". Gal 2:16 will harmonize with this truth; Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law (their faith), but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ.
Hi Jackrosie, the quickening is the work of the Holy Spirit to those who believe in Christ...Any problem with that?@fredoheaven God quickens you,you don’t quicken yourself......