What does God really love?
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That is not really an answer to the question. What do little children say and do that really pleases God?
This is not a debate, but a learning discussion.
He loved all three, i know because what i put was a quote from the scripture - why does He love anyone?
do they have to do something that pleases Him before He loves them?
He said we must become like children in order to enter His kingdom -- why? because children do something that pleases Him? or because they are something? is His love a 'payment' remitted for an action or a 'reward' for a quality, at all? does He love for some reason intrinisic to Himself or is it a reaction to something we do or say or be ?
What does Ephesians 2:10 say after the 2 famous Grace verses? Why are there 1050 commandments in the New Testament. There are only 635 in the Old Testament. And many of the New Testament commandments have to do with thinking. Why?
1-- New Testament commandments in groups with verses https://app.box.com/s/eptflx12r976xb2t569abnavicnsd3qo
there were 3 people in the verse i quoted. didn't know what two you were talking about.
you know, if you read the passage, both of them are in unbelief, saying 'if only you had been here' -- He's God, the physical presence of Jesus doesn't have to be there for life to persist. see: Luke 7:1-10 for example. and Jesus says, He is glad, for their sake, that He wasn't -- so that they may believe.
believe what?
but it's not because of their great doctrinal soundness. it's not because of how they were there weeping.
It is His nature to love. God IS love
But what about the other attributes of God including Just and Judge? But that is not having to do with why I started this thread. The verse about "be converted and become as children" is for believers to be and keep being humble and not become like the Pharisees as they learned more of God's Word. It did not mean that God loves all children. Many children become very selfish and arrogant very quickly. Have you seen the Dancing with the Stars for Juniors and the 8-12 year-olds cooking competitions and Steve Harvey's show of talented young children? Humbleness?
some famous preacher has said ((it may have been Harry Ironside, but am not sure?)) that a sound sermon is one where you are told what to believe, not what to do.
I was talking about the Mary and Martha one. What did Jesus appreciate about their actions just before He came and when He rested and taught. I had no similar thoughts as you stated.
I am not preaching a sermon or saying what to do. And I would not divine a sound sermon as that. Preachers should not be dictators and manipulators. Too many are. The Holy Spirit tells me what to believe, sometimes via a sermon, sometimes via a friend, sometimes via a loved one, but mostly via my personal study of Scripture while ETRSFing.
How to do ETRSFing:
http://livingforjude20to25.wixsite.com/for-bible-study
http://www.bibleloverbill.simplesite.com
God doesn't approve of Grace Only Religion:
1-- New Testament commandments in groups with verses https://app.box.com/s/eptflx12r976xb2t569abnavicnsd3qo
1-- New Testament commandments in groups with verses https://app.box.com/s/eptflx12r976xb2t569abnavicnsd3qo
if God doesn't love anyone who is selfish or arrogant, nuts to all humanity.
this doesn't say anything about 'why' He loved them - it just states that He does.
So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love is sick.”
When He heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. So when He heard that Lazarus was sick, He stayed where He was two more days, and then He said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.”
(John 11:3-7)
verse 2 talks about an action one of the three undertook --
(This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.)
but the text says He loves all three, not just Mary. so i don't think there's evidence here of Him loving these people because of what they do. that doesn't mean actions don't evoke His love, but that it's not what v. 2 is about -- v.2 is identifying who we're talking about, not explaining the statement in v. 5 that He loves them - because it's all three of them He loves, not just the one whose one action we're told about.
which is to say, i can't tell you what about their actions He appreciated because the text doesn't indicate He loves them because of their actions.
right; i was agreeing with & corroborating your implication about emphasis on 'thinking' vs. 'modifying behavior'
have you ever written computer code?
part of the description here is like when you have nested 'for' loops
for i = 0:N_i
for j = 0:N_j
for k = 0:N_k
((do stuff related to i & j & k))
end for
end for
end foriterative; interesting
if God doesn't love anyone who is selfish or arrogant, nuts to all humanity.
this doesn't say anything about 'why' He loved them - it just states that He does.
So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love is sick.”When He heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. So when He heard that Lazarus was sick, He stayed where He was two more days, and then He said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.”(John 11:3-7)
verse 2 talks about an action one of the three undertook --
(This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.)
but the text says He loves all three, not just Mary. so i don't think there's evidence here of Him loving these people because of what they do. that doesn't mean actions don't evoke His love, but that it's not what v. 2 is about -- v.2 is identifying who we're talking about, not explaining the statement in v. 5 that He loves them - because it's all three of them He loves, not just the one whose one action we're told about.
which is to say, i can't tell you what about their actions He appreciated because the text doesn't indicate He loves them because of their actions.
Scripture doe say that He loved the diligence and compassion of Martha and the spiritual hunger of Mary. That seemed so obvious to me. Why are you so sarcastic. And there are many humble human people in the World which goes against your first response.
have you ever written computer code?
part of the description here is like when you have nested 'for' loops
for i = 0:N_i
for j = 0:N_jfor k = 0:N_k((do stuff related to i & j & k)) end forend forend for
iterative; interesting
yes, I wrote Excel generic macro command programing in 3 different versions of Excel. It was like those computer games where you go from room to room looking for things. The Holy Spirt helped me find the acceptable if and then statements. The first time I developed a data collection and report generating system for Menlo Park General Circuits Company just in time before their system crashed. I also did a program to read credit card inputs and generate reports with the information. But ETRSFing has nothing to do with that except it requires reasoning and Holy Spirit help too.
How to do ETRSFing:
http://livingforjude20to25.wixsite.com/for-bible-study
http://www.bibleloverbill.simplesite.com