What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean?
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Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. 8You also be patient. Establish your hearts,
for the coming of the Lord is at hand.
9Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!
10My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord, as an example of suffering and patience.
11Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.
James 5
I'll rephrase.
Do you believe that this salvation is from hell rather than the events surrounding verses 12 and 13?
Our salvation is from God and is granted by our Lord and Savior...Jesus Christ.
Suggest that is sufficient...no other road is scriptural.
I understand the salvation you are describing. Thank you for the reminder.
So do you believe that this salvation/deliverance in verse 12 is referring to...
A. the eternal salvation that you are describing?
or
B. the events surrounding verse 12?
or
B. the events surrounding verse 12?
Tit 3:3, For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Of course if someone is regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost, they will be inclined towards doing the good works that the Lord has foreordained for them to walk in.
But that we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done is a basic tenet of holy scripture (see also Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-8, Romans 11:5-6).
Hi!
Yahweh Elohim, HE does the good work in/through those who are His and He will perform it......
Those who are His do no good thing, "good works" in and of ourselves, understand by His Spirit;
"For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
God Bless!
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: "
Yahweh Elohim, HE does the good work in/through those who are His and He will perform it......
Those who are His do no good thing, "good works" in and of ourselves, understand by His Spirit;
"For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
God Bless!
"What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean? "
(Eph 6:10) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
(Eph 6:11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
(Eph 6:12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(Eph 6:13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(Eph 6:10) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
(Eph 6:11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
(Eph 6:12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(Eph 6:13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
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The one I listed is the important one. I am at a loss to understand another salvation avenue you refer...?
Give me more detail and I am sure I can respond likely.
We must not mix works in a saving manner...that is different. Likewise No one in this thread has said that works alone saves one. Remember...faith without works is dead.
Keep works in context.
Do not allow new age religion types to miss lead you. We are ambassadors for Christ...in our work assignments.
It is clear that we are not saved by works (Ephesians 2:8-9); while we are saved unto good works that the Lord has foreordained for us to walk in (Ephesians 2:10)
Being saved, apart from works, changes the heart so that a man becomes inclined unto doing good works.
Salvation is alone given by what we find in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 as an abject truth.
Salvation is alone given by what we find in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 as an abject truth.
Did u look up the word meaning?
Probably not. A typical left wing approach of distortion for gain....even if it is wrong. LOL
σῴζω (greek) means "saved/delivered/preserved/rescued". In our everyday Christian conversations, we usually tend to stick to subjects that are personally relevant, like our spiritual salvation. So our minds naturally go there when we read the word "saved" in the Bible.
But the Bible uses the term σῴζω in many more ways in the NT (not just spiritual salvation).
Here are some examples where "saved" is used in terms of a natural danger/affliction:
“But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, “Lord, save me!”” (Matthew 14:30)
“save Yourself, and come down from the cross!”” (Mark 15:30)
“Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)
“But women will be saved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.” (1 Timothy 2:15)
“Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)
“But women will be saved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.” (1 Timothy 2:15)
Now that you know that "saved" can have other possible meanings...
The OT prophets have already written about these events that Jesus is talking about in Matthew 24. The "salvation" Jesus mentions in verse 12 is described in their writings (I provided some of those passages already in post#370). Jesus reminded his disciples that there will be a "time of distress" that will come upon the whole earth. And those who endure to the end will be "saved".
More specifically, during the day of the Lord, The "man of lawlessness" (2 Thess 2:3) will persecute believers on the earth and God's wrath will be poured out on all mankind. But a remnant of believers will be preserved (saved) through this time of distress. That is what Jesus is referring to. It has nothing to do with the soteriological debate. If it did, then one would be able to explain a soteriological interpretation using the context of the passage. However, it is not possible because the entire passage (verses surrounding verse 12) is eschatological and an echo of what has already been written by the prophets.
Posted with permission)
I think one of the major issues of contention, whether or not The Elect of God, Christians, will go through the Great Tribulation, is due to a major misunderstanding of the scripture in both Ephesians 2:8 and Matthew 24:13. It is my hope this article saved in my favorites file for years now will assist in clearing that up.
June 24, 2017
In Matt 24:13, Jesus says the famous words:
But the one who endures to the end will be saved. (ESV)Perhaps the most common understanding of this passage is that we must endure in good works to the end of our physical lives to be saved from hell. This understanding contradicts Paul’s words in Eph 2:8a:
For by grace you have been saved through faith. (ESV)Notice two differences between Eph 2:8a and Matt 24:13: First, the Matt 24:13 salvation is by enduring whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is by grace through faith. Second, the Matt 24:13 salvation is future (“will be saved,” from the Greek future tense, sothesetai) whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is past (“have been saved,” from the Greek perfect tense sesosmenoi). Salvation from hell was by grace through faith and has already happened to me, so what is the future salvation by endurance that Jesus is talking about in Matt 24:13? The answer is in the context.
Matthew 24:13 is part of an answer to the question that Jesus’ disciples asked earlier in the chapter:
As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (Matt 24:3 ESV)It makes sense that the salvation in vs 13 should be in the future tense; after all, the disciples are asking about the future. Specifically, they were asking about the 7-year tribulation period. One reason we know that the Tribulation is in view is because Jesus says that the abomination of desolation (which Daniel talks about in Dan 9) will occur during this period. We also know that this is the tribulation because they asked immediately after Jesus said that not one stone of the temple would be left on another – surely a reference to the replacement of the 2nd temple with the temple that Ezekiel writes about in Ez 40-48.
Yep. There are still stones on top of each other.
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We already know that the salvation in question is not salvation from hell, so what is it a salvation from? In verse 22, Jesus indicates that salvation from physical death is in mind:
And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. (ESV)When Jesus says, “He who endures to the end will be saved,” He does not mean that you must be good until you die to be saved from hell. He is talking about a specific group of people in the future who will need to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to be saved from physical death.
Understanding Matt 24:13 is good news for several reasons. It’s good news to know that we don’t need to endure to the end of the Tribulation because we aren’t in the Tribulation. It’s also good news to know that we won’t even be in the Tribulation, in fact, this is the doctrine that Paul points to for us to encourage each other with.1 Perhaps most of all, it’s a relief to know that we can take Jesus at His word to give eternal life to whomever believes in Him for it:
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. (John 5:24 ESV)
Those stones at the "Wailing Wall" are NOT part of the Temple that Jesus refered to.
I have understanding now.
We see in your examples general ....save ....use.
But when the Bible says...saved...it is a whole and complete meaning......history is made...not to be reversed. Thus the reason we may not refer to our selves as ...saved while alive on this earth....because it takes away from God's ultimate authority to pass judgement as the Bible says...it is appointed unto man once to die then the judgement. The use of ...ed on a word....means a whopping lot.
While on this earth we can only be ......born again.