What did Jesus mean when He said...

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ForestGreenCook said:
All scripture must harmonize or you do not understand the doctrine that Jesus taught.
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I understand it. It is simply written.
It is when you add and subtract from to achieve a false theology that the contradictions arise. And yours has many. Mine has exactly zero. Yours has to ignore simple statements that can only mean one thing. Mine is built on those and the lies I was taught come to light and the truth is revealed.
To say "all" was speaking about believers is such a stretch it is ridiculously hilarious. Not to mention it insults the writers who were top notch. Saying what God compelled them to say and write.

1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach, because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach.

If you are trying to say all peoples are saved,
this is about the simplest way to say it, especially
to those who think that only those who believe
in this life are saved.


1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours
only but also for the whole world.

I suppose you think "whole" means believers? Even though
the believer said, "and not for ours only"? Lol

John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

And save the world He shall.
Oh wait.. "world" means "believers before death", right? Please.

One thing is for sure. You can not blame me for my theology. lol

And another thing is for sure, I do not judge people for theirs.
I just show them the scripture. They can except it or reject it.
Either way, it is what it is and nothing can change it.
 
p_rehbein said:
How many are you looking for?

:)

Oh well, don't matter, cuz when that Eastern sky splits.............I'M OUTTA HERE
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Sounds like you believe it will happen at dawn.
But I guess that depends on where you live.
Every eye will see it.
 
Chuckyz2 said:
I understand it. It is simply written.
It is when you add and subtract from to achieve a false theology that the contradictions arise. And yours has many. Mine has exactly zero. Yours has to ignore simple statements that can only mean one thing. Mine is built on those and the lies I was taught come to light and the truth is revealed.
To say "all" was speaking about believers is such a stretch it is ridiculously hilarious. Not to mention it insults the writers who were top notch. Saying what God compelled them to say and write.

1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach, because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach.

If you are trying to say all peoples are saved,
this is about the simplest way to say it, especially
to those who think that only those who believe
in this life are saved.


1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours
only but also for the whole world.

I suppose you think "whole" means believers? Even though
the believer said, "and not for ours only"? Lol

John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

And save the world He shall.
Oh wait.. "world" means "believers before death", right? Please.

One thing is for sure. You can not blame me for my theology. lol

And another thing is for sure, I do not judge people for theirs.
I just show them the scripture. They can except it or reject it.
Either way, it is what it is and nothing can change it.
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In regards to 1 Tim 4:9-11,
Chuckyz2 said:
I understand it. It is simply written.
It is when you add and subtract from to achieve a false theology that the contradictions arise. And yours has many. Mine has exactly zero. Yours has to ignore simple statements that can only mean one thing. Mine is built on those and the lies I was taught come to light and the truth is revealed.
To say "all" was speaking about believers is such a stretch it is ridiculously hilarious. Not to mention it insults the writers who were top notch. Saying what God compelled them to say and write.

1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach, because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach.

If you are trying to say all peoples are saved,
this is about the simplest way to say it, especially
to those who think that only those who believe
in this life are saved.


1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours
only but also for the whole world.

I suppose you think "whole" means believers? Even though
the believer said, "and not for ours only"? Lol

John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

And save the world He shall.
Oh wait.. "world" means "believers before death", right? Please.

One thing is for sure. You can not blame me for my theology. lol

And another thing is for sure, I do not judge people for theirs.
I just show them the scripture. They can except it or reject it.
Either way, it is what it is and nothing can change it.
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1 Tim 4:9-11 - This scripture is speaking of Christ's church, when he says "specially of those that believe (the doctrine of Jesus)" The "all men are the rest of God's elect, who have been regenerated and who are believing in false doctrines, and is not all mankind. 1 John 2:2 - "the world of God's elect" this verse is referenced back ti Isaiah 53:ii where Jesus is said that he justified "many", not all. Christ did not die for all mankind, but only those that the Father gave him, which was his elect that he choose before the foundation of the world. John 12:47 - This again is the world of God's elect and some of his elect do not believe that he is their savor, mainly some of the Jews.
 
Chuckyz2 said:
Sounds like you believe it will happen at dawn.
But I guess that depends on where you live.
Every eye will see it.
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what in my comment would lead you to conclude that?

1 Thessalonians 4:16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Matthew 24:27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

As for it being at dawn.........I have no idea, nor did I suggest such..........
 
MessageOfTheCross said:
What did Jesus mean when He said in Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV, "Enter in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be who go in there: Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it."

Did He mean only a few will be saved, or only a few find abundant life on earth?
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Narrow way Grace,
Wide open, law.
If you read all the posts you will see that people with how to please God.
Millions have given up their soul, in search of good.
Jesus said, why do you call me good, their is none good except the father.
Do satellite view of red sea to promise land. The trail is much greener, to all the fertilizer.
 
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