What Controls Our Human Free Will?
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The Bible does not say what you think it says.
Really ok, well you can keep up your attempts to have me arguing with you, but I'm never going to argue with you, i made that decision last week, after i pursued Gods permissive will, it became permissive to me, to never ever let you get on my nerves, and I have learned to discipline my own will by God's will, more than you'll ever know about me, so when I say you will never get on my nerves.
I mean it and will stick to it.
But here it is
Matthew 26:40-43
King James Version
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Instead of assuming my motivations, you should examine yours.
But your human will doesn’t value God’s will, and vice versa… according to you.
you've Got one thing correct for once.
Your right my human will does not respect God but I can disaplin my will with Gods will daily, and live in hope, not in will his hope, as it's hope that saves me, hope is the door to communion with the lord.
Something you should be doing to, as your motivation are clearly denying God's truth, where as my motivation is only endorsing Gods truth.
So I'll tell you something about myself, I have learned to disaplin my flesh in Every way that Paul did, and for many many years have i, I don't live by motivation I live by discipline,
So I can discipline myself according to God's will and i have also disciplined my self to cut of my flesh daily, which I do, I also do what God instructs to do in honor of his ways, and how I should live in marriage to his ways, and how I should raise my child according to his ways, also I take every thought captive, and wait for an appropriate way in dealing with it.
I also have disciplined myself to fully understand Gods will and what God holds so precious in his will.
Enough about me thats just little me and my walk, I believe it's also the walk of.my family and a lot of people who attend the church i go to every week, where we mingle where we all talk. and one of the favourite subjects of Our church father, is Gods will and he loves taking about patience and his will.
Patience
in knowing Gods will, he knows and fully understands his will which can be seen in every part of the bible,And he's also taught me hundreds of scriptures where his will can be found and he's well liked in the community and well loved to.
And I have them all his teachings ready for you.
You think my motivation is to deny God’s truth? That’s laughably wrong, but I’m curious as to why you think that.
Disagreement with you is not a valid answer.
it's ok I'm wise to you i know you like to play game ls with not giving answers, I'm wise to people life yourself,.
So it's normal for you because you haven't learned to control your flesh.
It's why Gods word declares.that his law was made weak by the will of flesh,.
So your just another one of those typical people who do exactly as same.
You haven't acknowledged many many truths in the bible I've shown you , in fact you disagreed with many of them and haven't acknowledged the rest, and what's the count now, 20,..25 I don't know I've lost count,, the fact you don't acknowledge anything that is being said isn't good manners ,and you just look for the slightest sniff to have a n argument that isn't even there to suit yourself, which just shows how unlearned you are when it comes to understanding the will of the flesh. Your unlearned in this subject and your attitude clearly demonstrates that.
To me your just living testimony and clear proof the will of the flesh sees itself above God's will.
You should go and search the scriptures and put on your apron of humility, and humble yourself to God, not my words his words.
I am under no obligation whatsoever to “acknowledge” anything you post. I respond where I choose to respond. The absence of a response to any post (or series of posts) does not rationally justify any conclusion about me, whether good or bad.
Where I disagree with your post, I am never disagreeing with Scripture, but always with your views about Scripture.
Your being asked to acknowledge Gods word, is that so Diffacult for you.
3 times you where told human will lives in the flesh as cited in scripture
And 3 times you chose you reject that with personal remarks against me
So What is it your obliged to do then, because the only obligation I can see you have towards me is you feel obliged to insult me after I discuss God's word with you.
Do you call that respectful ?
Do you know the meaning arrogance, because it's clearly something your demonstrating.
Are you judging people by your own standards or something ? It's looks that way to me.
Do you believe human will lives in the flesh
yep there isn't one free willer who wants to be controlled by God, and your one of them.
It's the perfect excuse for free willers, the excuse that speaks to emotions, which is only really suited in a conversation between two people whom don't know each other, but God knows you and God knows what needs controling in your life.
Are you to naive to even see that. ?
But.where talking about God here, where by God declares the wages for sin is death,.where he instructs you to carry your cross in the same way he does, and who ever doesn't give his life for him, they don't live.
Then theres the hundreds more commandment the lord gives his children,
Well a parent controls there child's behaviour dont they ?
So why is it out of your comprehension that God should not control your behaviour or anybody else's, and why is out of your comprehension children of God love nothing better than God to control them,
Because quite clearly your remark here does need controling as does the will of the flesh
Where does that verse say anything about God's will not thinking, or or that God's will has declared it has no value for human will what so ever? The verse is talking, as James does in the New Testament, about control of the tongue.Ecclesiastes 5:2
NIV
2 Do not be quick with your mouth,
do not be hasty in your heart
to utter anything before God.
God is in heaven
and you are on earth,
so let your words be few.
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21-23 KJV
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
from then on it became about choosing between doing good or evil for mankind. From the first man born after that
“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?
If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?
But if you do not do what is right,
sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
Genesis 4:6-7
much later on we still see how this has affected mankind
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJV
The good and evil we entertain in our minds and hearts leads us to those actions is the problem . It’s all around us in the world caused by man having good and evil knowledge men do things like run into harms way to save those in danger , and they also plot and kill the innocent . Men create hospitals to help people and bombs to destroy them . Able chose to do good and was accepted but cain being wanted chose to follow his own evil thoughts and kill his brother instead of just hearkening to Gods call for his repentance and to act right.
we still do this today we reject all of Gods judgements eternal in the gospel and proclaim our own ways of salvation because of a sentence or two we’ve misinterpreted from Paul’s letters.
even as Paul proclaims the truth thoroughly in those same letters about good and evil , we still reject it
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
we then say things like “ we were judged at the cross , what terror of the lord ? Nonone can be “ pursuaded “ thoer either chosen or not …Who has to answer for what they’ve done good and evil ? Not me . We’re already saved and will never be judged “
good and evil and which man chooses has been a main theme of the Bible from the beginning and it constantly appears throughout even to the very end of the last book in the Bible we still see mankind judged by thier deeds whether good or evil .
That’s … from the second chapter of the Bible to the second to last chapter of the Bible this theme set in motion by adams transgression persists clearly without question or debate .
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;”
Deuteronomy 30:15 KJV
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19
remember he said you must not eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil or you’ll surely die ? Now he’s telling them “ I’ve set before you good and evil life and death … obey my words and choose life that you may live “
Good and evil are polar opposites it’s why man became “ double minded “ it’s why man is so easily tempted just by tboughts or memories or subtle things …. The evil is always right there even when we’re doing good it’s part of our nature both good and evil because of adams work . And now if we do keep doing evil we’ll surely die but if we repent and believe the gospel and walk in faith doing good and not evil we’ll surely live .
Its never changed but the gospel can change us and our knowledge and teach us the truth that sets us free from that snare within that is this good and evil conflict in our nature
“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.”
Romans 7:21 KJV
We aren’t supposed to be conflicted between good and evil son and obedience were meant to just have a relationship with God and trust what he teaches us like if God told you clearly “ don’t eat that fruit you’ll surely die “ and then … someone else tells you “ that’s not true God has it wrong “ you would believe what God said and reject what the other guy is saying I’m pretty sure .
your put in a position where good and evil are preeent and we have to choose which one to serve daily and in many different situations we face in daily life
I see someone drop some money and I need money do I sneak and grab it after they leave ? Or do I make sure they get it back before they get away ? We face choices in daily life thousands of times of we get old like that we choose sometimes to do the wrong thing other times we choose to do the good and right thing by our convinctions.
Ever since adams sin the Bible revolves around good and evil and whether man is doing good or evil and it concludes with whether man chose good or evil ?
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.”
Romans 2:6-10 NIV
thier fall in Eden and transgression caused a change in our plight , now we have to do ere rly contend with good and evil within our mind …… but we can repent and believe the gospel and let his word fill our minds and hearts and be saved
Figurative speeches are made all the time in the bible.
Gods word declare only one trespass was made in the garden
Romans 5
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
Notice it doesn't say trespasses
But yet you seem to putting gaining knowledge of good and evil above the trespass ?
Adam commited evil in God's eyes before he gained any other knowledge of evil in the garden.
Because why, well where there is Good there is also a reflection of Good,
Whether you gain knowledge of evil against your will, your always going to gain it anyway
What do you think happend when they ate from the tree of knowledge of Good and evil ?
Did they gain every bit of knowledge of Good and evil all in one hit, surely if they had they would have been making nuclear bombs one week later if they had.
No sir it's impossible they gained all knowledge in one hit you would need a chip implant for that,
When I read your post I'm wondering are you saying God is saving people because they all have knowledge of Good and evil ?
Again let's look at the word
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
It's says only his sinful nature was passed on to all mankind,. does it say all his knowledge of Good and evil was ?
Now even if some where in the bible it hints that it does,
How is it babies can't talk properly until 3 4
How is it children can't learn all good until there adulthood,
How is it children learn different evils later on in in there life.
So your idea God is saving people because they have knowledge of Good and evil is a compassionate idea.
But it's not accurate sir
It doesn’t say there was only one trespass; it says one trespass led to condemnation. You have inferred a meaning that is not in the text… again.
before I can I need to know what other tresspasses was commited in the garden apart from disobedience ?