What are our rights?

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As a christian what rights do we have? I am looking for quotes of scripture and stuff.

Im really frusterated, i had a bad day , and it caused me to think about how issues occur between differen't races/groups of people.

If you are a Christian and live somewhere, and someone else with different views wants to take your land, what do you do? Do you let them take it? Can you say you cannot have my land, but you can live on it with me?

What if they disagree and threaten you, or try and overtake your land. As a christian are you allowed to protect what is yours?

If someone walks into your house and tries to beat you, are you allowed to defend yourself? Not legally, but according to the bible. Are you allowed to sinlessly defend yourself?

Are you allowed to kill a man to save 100 men? (and women, im just using.. slacker terms)

Are you allowed to kill a man to save your own life or the life of someone else?

I just want to know, im not planning on killing anyone XD
 
In the Bible ,(some where in Kings), A King named Ahab, who was married to Jezebel, wanted to buy a mans vineyard the man was Naboth.Well he wouldn't sell it to Ahab. So I don't think its wrong if you don't want some one to take land. But as far as kiling, no I don't think you have a right to kill.
 
I think God would be okay with you killing a mass murderer to save your life or the life of friends/family if you were in danger, yes. lol that's kind of a given.
 
I Disagree with you FSUBoy, when i was in high school, we had an arguement like this in class that wasted two periods of class.
One of the ten commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill'. Simple.
Many are the times christians get stuck in such situations that they do not know what to do.
The bible says no Weapon formed against you shall prosper, all those who rise against you shall fall. When King Hezekiah was being attacked, God instructed him to praise him, when he went to war the following morning, they found the entire army slain.
Same thing for Gideon, he attacked an entire army with just 300 men. And he won.
God promised us that He will protect us, if you get attacked, do not put up a physical fight, defeat the enemy with Gods word. It has always worked for me in all situations, it will work for you too!
 
The bible also says we do not fight against the flesh, but spirit. The armour of God is not in the flesh, but spirit, learn to use it. God will always be with you.
 
hell no, you fight for it...but if they ask for forgiveness you forgive them
 
and technically proper hebrew translation show that it is though shalt not murder, not thou shalt kill. Really beneficial since God even after giving the ten commandments ordered the Israelites to kill thousands, so unless he told his people to break his own commandments, the thou shalt not kill argument falls apart
 
Jesus says life abundantly

If someone tries to rob your house and you act in self-defense and do not murder them, I say this is not sin, and God understands.

Did Jesus ever say you are to allow someone to murder you?

We don't always have the strength or energy or capabilities in this day and age to defend ourselves, but there are so many things set up, laws, family, friends, police, newspapers, internal feelings and conscience, that it is rare to find an instance where murder would be considered appropriate in the United States.

You follow your heart and faith in making decisions, correct, for employment, physical exercise, love, handling different affairs. Well, does your faith, or anyone's faith who has thought about committing murder, tell them they can survive a lengthy jail sentence, ridicule by police and other law officers, and have to submit to all the processess of the system, and be used to, and made to feel that you are here for another's sustenance and not your own?

Think about it. The kind of human suffering in wars, and concentration camps for example, and not modern prisions, is not truly what God intended, is it? Yes, I see the argument for how it is life at it's most basic level, but that what does the bible say, about "having life, and having it more abundantly"
 
One of Jesus' teachings are that you can commit self-defense during night, but not during day. Whether or not you specifically are only allowed to save your own life between 6PM-6AM, I'm not sure. I see it as the flip side of the coin, as in what circumstances you can use self-defense for, since night is often associated with cloak-and-dagger shenanigans, but I'm rambling...

About the 'taking of land', I'll advise you to realize that though religious rights have their merit, currently under governmental command in US, 'Eminent Domain' is in force, meaning if the government wants your land, they can very well take it.

As for killing a mass murderer... Though God has endowed us all with humanity, individuality, and equality, I think we determine our own value through our actions. In my eyes, a serial killer has alot less value than 100 innocent men and women. If God truly does commit judgment, he'd have no trouble using The Scales to weigh the value of murderer and victim and finding the one who has more righteousness. God may be omnipotent, but I've seen enough in this world to know that he won't smite every murderer for us. We have 2 hands, and 2 feet, so we should be using that to make our world more righteous, and ensure that God's Will of salvation for all humanity is kept. If you have a chance to claim the life of a mass murderer, and you're the only one who can... I say it would be a sin to let him go. You're indirectly killing all of his future victims. YOUR actions lead to YOUR consequences. God made the world this way, so I plan on living it out by those means. God's almighty power is absolutely a driving force, but I'd rather count on the Lord to give me strength, rather than laze around while waiting for the Lord to crush all the bad guys for me. If God worked that way, we wouldn't need police. But we do need police, and their job is never done. So, make sure murderers do not shed blood on this world God has made. Creation should not destroy another Creation, not when such Creations are both blessed by God to have their existence.

As for the rest of Christian rights, I suppose you should ask the same thing to an atheist. The most accurate response I can think of is, "I'm human. Why should you get more rights than me?" After all, this statement is mostly correct. We can't whine to God to give us more rights than someone else. That makes us spoilt, and Jesus has often promoted being humble and having humility. We can't possess humility if we put ourselves on pedestals.

(In all reality, I'm not exactly this spiritual about things. I'm more... materialistic, but I suppose this speech is beneficial. I only want to help the community.)
 
FSUBoy966 said:
I think God would be okay with you killing a mass murderer to save your life or the life of friends/family if you were in danger, yes. lol that's kind of a given.
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cool back it up with a reference though like why do you think that
 
angelos said:
cool back it up with a reference though like why do you think that
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As I stated in my tl;dr (too long; didn't read) speech, Jesus actually made a note of how you can defend yourself under certain conditions. Are you supposed to simply let someone kill you just because? No. I refuse to give up my life to another person so easily. I live for God, so if someone wants to take away what God has given me (my life), I will, by all means, ensure that my life, and the life of my loved ones are secured. What doctrines should we follow, that we have to give our lives simply to be righteous? No. A murderer is a murderer, and an innocent man who defends himself is an innocent man.
 
I never ever see Americans quote: "Turn the other cheek". You've all rewritten Theology to suit your Imperial needs.

TURN THE OTHER CHEEK!
 
David_1 said:
I never ever see Americans quote: "Turn the other cheek". You've all rewritten Theology to suit your Imperial needs.

TURN THE OTHER CHEEK!
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That's not what God said when he told the Israelites to wipe out 7 nations simply because God wanted those nations to give up their land.

Don't believe me? Deuteronomy 7:1-2

Denying the right to self-defense is illogical. Does God want you to commit suicide? No. Well, how is suicide any different from laying down, waiting for a robber to stab you?
 
InitialConditions said:
That's not what God said when he told the Israelites to wipe out 7 nations simply because God wanted those nations to give up their land.

Don't believe me? Deuteronomy 7:1-2

Denying the right to self-defense is illogical. Does God want you to commit suicide? No. Well, how is suicide any different from laying down, waiting for a robber to stab you?
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Oh dear..... SIGH.

You are trumping Jesus for Deuteronomy :( SIGH.

TURN THE OTHER CHEEK!

It's not for Americans to pervert the Words of the Gospel for Imperialist Propaganda!
 
InitialConditions said:
One of Jesus' teachings are that you can commit self-defense during night, but not during day. Whether or not you specifically are only allowed to save your own life between 6PM-6AM, I'm not sure. I see it as the flip side of the coin, as in what circumstances you can use self-defense for, since night is often associated with cloak-and-dagger shenanigans, but I'm rambling...
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Which scripture is it you're referencing here?
 
Somewhere in the book of Luke I believe. He states in Luke 22:36 that if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one. He advocates self-defense only when absolutely necessary.
 
FSUBoy966 said:
I think God would be okay with you killing a mass murderer to save your life or the life of friends/family if you were in danger, yes. lol that's kind of a given.
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This is a very funny and interesting argument, someone told me just a while ago, dat there is a diff btw murdering somebody and killing somebody. Does dis make any sense?. Yes i think so, although in both cases you make d person dead, it's for diff reasons. Now do you think if i have to kill a person to protect myself, i won't do it?, Come on let's not deceive ourselves, i'll gladly jump at d opportunity :D. Or lets just say i have to kill somebody to protect d people i love, i'll do it. Simple!... Even though the bible says we should be meek, doesn't say we should be stupid to d extent of letting ourselves get killed, coz dat will still be something close to taking our own lives and dat's still hell fire anywayz. But note dat if i have a chance to protect myself or the people without killing dis person, i'll also gladly spare his/her life.

So i agree with you FSUBoy, and i also agree with everyone else who thinks we should spare d life if we have a chance too. And also, there is nothing wrong in defending what is ours!
 
InitialConditions said:
Somewhere in the book of Luke I believe. He states in Luke 22:36 that if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one. He advocates self-defense only when absolutely necessary.
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More perversion of scripture. The cherry piking of the War Mongerer.
 
Letting someone kill hundreds of people in my eyes is the same as killing them yourselves. Standing there and just letting someone kill you is equal to just jumping off a building. I think its perfectly alright to kill if you have to defend your family and friends, and its the only way. If Christians didn't defend themselves, then there are plenty of people out there who would gladly send us to Heaven as fast as they can in a pretty violent way. If its a one on one situation and someone breaks into your house and wants to kill, I think the best thing to do is try and escape. Jesus, Paul, and the other disciples/apostles ran away quite a few times to escape, sometimes from death. Its a complicated situation, but when it comes to the serial killer, I think its best you stop him. Thank you for starting this thread. I'm glad to see that I'm not alone on my views. It also makes me feel better about joining the Military in a few years.
 
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