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There are many folks today that claim to be Christian but their conduct demonstrates that they are not what they claim. They are pretenders or what the bible describes as tares. You shall know them by their fruits correct?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You said in one of your previous posts (page 3):
"People cannot repent as far as salvation is concerned until after God produces the New Birth in them".
This doctrine is similar to Westboro's in that you're essentially saying that God selects who to put 'new birth' in to, and therefore God selects who will be saved.
You've said that people only repent when God produces new birth in them.
But Acts 2:38 tells us that people will receive the Holy Spirit when they repent:
"And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" ".
You're right, we are told to take note of the fruit people produce.
But no Church nor any Christian is perfect.
Belief in Jesus and repentance of sins doesn't make you perfect, it means that you will not be judged on your sins.
We can throw the mud at Westboro for being hyper-calvinist, or for protesting.
Similarly, they may throw the mud in the opposite direction because other Churches have become more accepting of behaviours that the Bible defines as sin.
I'm simply asking whether Westboro have a point...
We need to clear some things up. Why would Westboro preach repentance to those who cannot repent? They obviously do not believe or they would repent.
Acts 2:38 pertained to saved believing Jews who needed to repent from the Old Covenant and start trusting in Christ. It was not about salvation, they were already saved.
You must have been born-again (saved) before you can believe and repent. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
You're moving the goal posts.
We were not talking about whether faith is a virtue of the Holy Spirit, we were talking about repentance.
Biblically, people receive the Holy Spirit when they repent and follow Jesus.
But you've said that people repent AFTER they receive the Holy Spirit.
This is not true. You are confusing Law repentance that could not save. Only prolong earthly life. Salvation precedes repentance. Not of works (repentance).
Again, you're moving the goal posts.
I did not mention the law, I mentioned repentance and following Jesus.
I'm afraid that you are wrong:
People receive the holy Spirit AFTER they repent and invite Jesus into their lives, not the other way around.
This article explains it in detail:
https://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Joseph/H_Spirit3.htm
You mention law when you place repentance before salvation. OT style that cannot save.
No, you're confusing what salvation is.
Sin creates a separation between man and God.
Salvation builds a bridge between man and God, but there is no salvation without repentance.
Are you saying people are saved before they repent?
No I'm not spelling it out for you.
Look at the link I provided and read for yourself:
https://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Joseph/H_Spirit3.htm
Now, I'm not going to go round in circles with you anymore.
Have a nice day.
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eternally-gratefull
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That would be like going to a person who has a brain tumor and telling them they have a brain tumor. What good does it do them. They need healed. they CAN NOT stop or heal themselves. They need healed first
And I have read my bible.. You want to act Like God and judge people. Your out of line
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eternally-gratefull
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This is wrong man
You have people being justified in sin and this is error
Any person can repent..
What you have said does not relate in any way to what I have actually said.
Can you please state very clearly, providing examples, where I have judged anyone, or where I have said that we should judge anyone?
Warning people of the consequences of their sins, which the Bible repeatedly asks us to do, is not the same as judging people on their sins.
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eternally-gratefull
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Its hard to warn others of their sins when you ignore your own.
Are you a westboro activist?