We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

[Obey-JESUS]

Wait, is this saying JESUS was crucified on the tree of knowledge? ...if the tree of knowledge of good and evil is "spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt". Did the "great city" become corrupt at some point?


Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

[posthuman]

But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Wow, those Verses are amazing!

i agree -- and the part about looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ is of particular interest to the thread

it's present-participle-passive voice,
"awaiting" or "looking to" or "expecting" or "receiving"
and passive/middle voice -- not something we do, but what is done to us.

yes; interesting indeed
why would we be continually receiving mercy, hmm?

 

[Runningman]

bro, good catch! -- that's very informative; thank you

Be vigilant. Never take for granted that what anyone says is true. My default is skepticism on this message board until I search something out. That’s really the best approach to the internet in general. If people have a convenient way to plant lies and deception then eventually someone will do it; that’s inevitable. It happens on this message board and it’s a problem on any board, including secular-themed boards.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

i agree -- and the part about looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ is of particular interest to the thread

it's present-participle-passive voice,
"awaiting" or "looking to" or "expecting" or "receiving"
and passive/middle voice -- not something we do, but what is done to us.

yes; interesting indeed
why would we be continually receiving mercy, hmm?

Weird how you think you qualify for that eternal life without "keep yourselves in the love of God"
...cause you are not with repeated will sin in your life.

 

[posthuman]

Genesis 3:6

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

He loved her. He trusted her. He did not know that she became possessed by the Devil. He did not even question her when she gave him the fruit, he did not even know what was about to happen to him. The source of tears and laments! He listened to the woman, she listened to the Devil, and Man ate too and they hid themselves both from the Word of God walking in the Garden.

disagree.

she was not "possessed by the Devil" -- only Judas in all of the Bible was ever entered by Satan.
i believe Adam knew exactly what had happened when she came to him. He 'listened to the voice of his wife' according to God, but we are not told what she said to him. we can infer it - she spoke to him before he ate.
i believe Adam was not stupid. i believe he had thought about this potential sequence of events, and had a plan.
Adam was not deceived. scripture tells us this clearly, in 1 Timothy 2:14
so Adam did not "listen to the Devil" and when Adam listened to Woman, she was not deceiving him.
what she said to him was not lies, and not deception, and not murder.

think about what you would say if your eyes had just become opened to the fact that you had ingested poison of certain death, and that you were 'naked' i.e. your shame & death was not hidden, but obvious.

Adam ate because he saw what had happened, understood what had happened, and loved his wife more than he loved righteousness.
he joined her in death, leaving his Father in order to cling to her, as one flesh.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

umm, do you think the tree of knowledge didn't apply to the world?

No, I said this many times, with great power comes great responsibility. It's a blessing to those who can take great responsibility, it's a curse to those who can't. It's like money, which by and of itself is not evil, but LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

Wait, is this saying JESUS was crucified on the tree of knowledge? ...if the tree of knowledge of good and evil is "spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt". Did the "great city" become corrupt at some point?


Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

It means the Two Witnesses already happened. The Israel we have today doesn't have anything to do with GOD. JESUS Ended it in 70 A.D.

 

[posthuman]

Weird how you think you qualify for that eternal life without "keep yourselves in the love of God"
...cause you are not with repeated will sin in your life.

weird how you think that if i say one thing you think i am ignoring everything else.

it is equally weird that you focus in on 'keep yourself' without recognizing that the very next set of words explains how to do that:
perpetually seeking and loving His mercy

it is not of works.
it is not of will.
it is not of intention.
it is not of desire.

it is of His mercy; by grace through faith.

 

[Magenta]

Wait, is this saying JESUS was crucified on the tree of knowledge? ...if the tree of knowledge of good and evil is "spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt". Did the "great city" become corrupt at some point?

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

[Runningman]

The inevitable question here (which I already know the answer to) to ask for the spiritual enlighten of anyone is: if Adam and Eve learned good and evil when they are from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil then did God also eat from the same tree?

“They have become like one of Us, knowing good and evil…”

Don’t answer quickly and think about this, even pray about it, before answering.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

weird how you think that if i say one thing you think i am ignoring everything else.

it is equally weird that you focus in on 'keep yourself' without recognizing that the very next set of words explains how to do that:
perpetually seeking and loving His mercy

it is not of works.
it is not of will.
it is not of intention.
it is not of desire.

it is of His mercy; by grace through faith.

How are you "praying in the Holy Spirit" ...when He isn't in your corrupted Temple?

 

[Obey-JESUS]

The inevitable question here (which I already know the answer to) to ask for the spiritual enlighten of anyone is: if Adam and Eve learned good and evil when they are from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil then did God also eat from the same tree?

“They have become like one of Us, knowing good and evil…”

Don’t answer quickly and think about this, even pray about it, before answering.

lol, "like us" means to not have authority over them telling them what the definitions mean.

 

[posthuman]

You can't be for real. sin is death. wicked intentions come from a dead tree. You only read a fraction of the posts in this thread.

OK!

now i have read all the posts in the thread, except for the new ones since last night.


sir, let me repeat an argument i gave you earlier:


God created the garden of Eden. He caused all of the trees there to grow, planting them.
He put Adam in it to tend it.

there were two trees in the midst of the garden, and God surely created and planted them.
God called this, "very good"

can you rightly call the tree God created sin and death and wicked?
are you not contradicting God, and calling evil what God calls good?

 

[Obey-JESUS]

OK!

now i have read all the posts in the thread, except for the new ones since last night.


sir, let me repeat an argument i gave you earlier:


God created the garden of Eden. He caused all of the trees there to grow, planting them.
He put Adam in it to tend it.

there were two trees in the midst of the garden, and God surely created and planted them.
God called this, "very good"

can you rightly call the tree God created sin and death and wicked?
are you not contradicting God, and calling evil what God calls good?

Dude, satan twisted wisdom to cause the spiritual tree of knowledge to be separation from GOD.

 

[Dino246]

Spirit/Life is in The Blood

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

It says the life of the flesh is in the blood; not the spirit.

Righteous spirit intentions through the Reborn spirit is The Way to have Life ..because it is using The Way ...reaching for the Tree of LIFE.

Wrong... and please stop yelling. The way to life is through faith in Christ Jesus; His atoning death on the cross, His resurrection, and His promise of eternal life to those who believe in Him.

John‬ ‭6:63‬ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Ignore the context and you can't properly understand the text. One does not come to sound understanding of the biblical text by picking random verses from all over.

Upholding His Image is Obeying Him in a Relationship that includes The Way, The Truth, and The Life. It is how His Righteousness is bestowed on you ...it is how you Overcome ...it is how you are Covered in His Blood.

Wrong again. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life; we don't "uphold His image" by obeying Him. We obey Him because He is Lord; His image doesn't need us to uphold it. We are made in His image, and that is true whether we believe in Him or not.

The Way = His Righteousness
The Truth = Overcome the lies
The Life = Covered in His Blood

Close, but not quite. He is the way to eternal life. He is the truth; that is inherent to His nature. He is the source of all life.

The following says only those Born of GOD are capable of Biblical Love ...unless you are claiming to know Him with repeated willful sin in your life? How did you NOT Overcome anything if you know Him?

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

Don't accuse people blindly. If you know someone personally who is guilty of repeated willful sin, then preach at them, not at every Christian.

"The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living."

Could "living" ...be talking about "living spirits"?

That is the implication, but it doesn't support your position at all. It is simply saying that Eve is the mother of all (the rest of) humanity

Eve's seed crushes the head of the serpent ...so do we if we have a Living spirit.

Wrong yet again. Jesus is the seed of the woman; He crushed (past tense for us!) the serpent's head. It's a done deal. We need only walk in that truth.[/QUOTE]

 

[Obey-JESUS]

Wrong again. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life; we don't "uphold His image" by obeying Him. We obey Him because He is Lord; His image doesn't need us to uphold it. We are made in His image, and that is true whether we believe in Him or not.

So pretend that Adam (us) didn't ruin the image? The beast image ...the spirit of the beast.

 

[Dino246]

Dude, satan twisted wisdom to cause the spiritual tree of knowledge to be separation from GOD.

Satan never had any such power, and there is nothing in Scripture to suggest that he did.

You act like you understand Scripture, but it is abundantly clear that you don't.

 

[Dino246]

So pretend that Adam (us) didn't ruin the image? The beast image ...the spirit of the beast.

Again, the Bible says nothing about Adam or us ruining the image of God. You're inventing ideas instead of getting them directly from the text.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

Satan never had any such power, and there is nothing in Scripture to suggest that he did.

You act like you understand Scripture, but it is abundantly clear that you don't.

umm, so you are suggesting that GOD made an evil tree? what?

 

[Dino246]

umm, so you are suggesting that GOD made an evil tree? what?

My goodness, you are confused.

I don't entertain accusatory assumptions. Read the text and learn what it says.