We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

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Obey-JESUS said:
So you said the magic words ...and you're Saved now right? What are you Saved from? Are you Saved from drugs or sexual acts? no?...then question if you actually had to Join Him on The Cross to be Covered in His Blood.
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Your nonsensical statement about joining Christ on the cross is a straw man argument.
 
Magenta said:
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But! But! That speck in your eye!
 
Obey-JESUS said:
Eve's Reborn spirit seed is what crushes the head of the serpent. Therefore, our Reborn spirit crushes the head of the serpent, which means we overcome sin slavery through CHRIST.
We need to be born of the Spirit to enter The Kingdom ...to have access to The Tree of LIFE.

Gen 3:15 NIV
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

...so there is also enmity between the Reborn and fallen (satan's children).

Eve is the spirit of The Body of CHRIST, Adam is the soul of the body of sin.

If we are IN Adam (sin) we die, our soul would be thinking with worldly fallen flesh.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

If we Join JESUS on The Cross we will not serve sin anymore:

Romans 6:5-6
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

We can't be Reborn without The Image of JESUS (Obey Him for SALVATION). The HOLY SPIRIT in our Temple is our connection to Life.
The church system thinks they are Reborn and can still eat from the tree of knowledge (repeated willful sin).


How is repeated willful sin not an attempt to save your fallen life? What do you think picking up your cross and Following Him means?

"LEST HE PUT FORTH HIS HAND, AND TAKE ALSO OF THE TREE OF LIFE, AND EAT, AND LIVE FOR EVER:"
GOD was telling us that the church system is not going to have Eternal Life ...because they think they can eat from both Trees! "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues."


Your walk is about your spiritual intentions (heart). The carnal mind is about your soul (mind) and spirit (intentions) both being about the flesh. Double-minded.

Your spirit is dead because it isn't using The Tree of LIFE!

You are not walking in The SPIRIT if you intend to repeat willful sin.

You eat from the tree of knowledge via your spirit. You made definitions for your morality intentions.

James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Romans 8:3-6
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

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We are Adam and Eve ...we can't have the Life of CHRIST and continue to live in repeated willful sin.
The Garden was GOD telling us about The Test we are in right now.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming SWORD which turned every way, to keep THE WAY of the TREE OF LIFE.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

//Being Born of The SPIRIT is how we walk past the Angels guarding The Tree of LIFE ...we use The Way ...and The Sword (The Word) doesn't let you use alternative ways.
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I agree that Jesus is the way and Jesus is that tree of life in Genesis 3: 24. Jesus say in Revelation 2: 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. So just to add to the topic some details, just from this verse we see here that we have to overcome. We have to overcome sin, and we have to overcome self. Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12). Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.
 
DanielLL said:
If we confess, He forgives us. Now, can we keep living in sin?

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

After you have been forgiven/cleansed, you must go and sin no more:

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
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Where's the grace though? You're telling people to go and sin no more but you aren't God. You create for people an impossible standard and immediately disqualify yourself from telling people not to sin because you yourself are a sinner who can't practice what he preaches. Jesus told her to go sin no more because Jesus is God.
 
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BroTan said:
I agree that Jesus is the way and Jesus is that tree of life in Genesis 3: 24. Jesus say in Revelation 2: 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. So just to add to the topic some details, just from this verse we see here that we have to overcome. We have to overcome sin, and we have to overcome self. Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12). Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.
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The Law written to our hearts is what The HOLY SPIRIT Grieving is about. We are being molded to have Everlasting Intentions (spirit/heart) in the Infinite Afterlife. The Law of CHRIST.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

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Obey-JESUS said:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+31&version=KJV

Egypt is a tree in The Garden...

Still think the trees of The Garden are two actual wooden trees?
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8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.


9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.



Hmmm, this is weird ...Egypt is a tree ...in the midst thereof:

Isa 19:3
And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.
 
"Make no friendship with an angry man,
And with a furious man do not go,
Lest you learn his ways
And set a snare for your soul."

- Proverbs 22:24-25 NKJV

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Obey-JESUS said:
So you said the magic words ...and you're Saved now right? What are you Saved from? Are you Saved from drugs or sexual acts? no?...then question if you actually had to Join Him on The Cross to be Covered in His Blood.
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You’re strangely focused on drugs and sexual acts. Projection, perhaps?
 
Dino246 said:
I agree, though I would say that the existence of a pattern doesn’t affect the genre or literality of the passage in which the pattern is found.
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I think it does affect your understanding greatly. For example, Romans 13, one of the most abused and misused passages. Literally it seems to say governments are God’s chosen rulers therefore you must submit, but throughout the whole Bible, all these heroes stood up to authority and spoke truth to power - Moses, David, Daniel, Esther, Jesus Himself, and later the disciples. With this pattern in mind, you’d realize that in that passage Paul was simply giving his take on “render Caesar’s to Caesar and God’s to God.” Not only that, he pointed out that God’s authority supersedes government’s, so we must obey God first.
 
Are human spirits (intentions/heart) ...about different kinds of trees in The Garden?

Exo 28:3
And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

Exo 31:3
And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Num 5:14
And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:

Deu 34:9
And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

Job 20:3
I have heard the check of my reproach, and the spirit of my understanding causeth me to answer.

Psa 76:12
He shall cut off the spirit of princes: he is terrible to the kings of the earth.

Pro 18:14
The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?

Pro 20:27
The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.


Ecc 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
 
I got as far as the first page and only got a picture of a rubber snake squeaky toy that everybody keeps stepping on because it was left out in the middle of the floor so,... I can't imagine what tree images I'd get if I kept reading.
 
Magenta said:
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Romans 5:8
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amen while we were still sinners past tense he died for us in order to bring us into the light and lead us home

“Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: for which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

in the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these;

anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:5-10, 12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all we’re sinners but he’s not making a way for us to continue in those things he’s making a way out for those who don’t reject what he’s teaching us
 
So a hardened heart is the spirit of the beast ...intentions only for themselves.

GOD stirs up the spirits of man (i still think it means intentions):

1Ch 5:26
And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day.

Ezr 1:1
Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

and check this out:

Isa 4:4
When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Isa 11:2
And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
 
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