Was Jesus the first man?

[VickyK]

Since I would never deny the trinity, and the Son is a fundament of the Three, would that mean Jesus has surely always existed?

 

[KingdomBrat]

Jesus (Yeshua) is John 1:1-5 [the WORD][made flesh] / [He is I AM Exodus 3:14 + John 8:58] / He is the Beginning and the End! He's always existed!

 

[VickyK]

So is that a yes or a no?

 

[p_rehbein]

Since I would never deny the trinity, and the Son is a fundament of the Three, would that mean Jesus has surely always existed?

Yes.......and NO He was not the FIRST MAN as in a man of earthly flesh and bone.........that was Adam

 

[p_rehbein]

All you have to do is read the 1st Chapters of both Genesis and John for your answer.........please turn to the Bible whenever possible.........thanks

 

[brightfame52]

Since I would never deny the trinity, and the Son is a fundament of the Three, would that mean Jesus has surely always existed?

Interesting question, I say yes Jesus is the first Man begotten before the world began. I believe Job refers to him here Job 15:7

Art thou the first man that was born? or wast thou made before the hills?

 

[posthuman]

Since I would never deny the trinity, and the Son is a fundament of the Three, would that mean Jesus has surely always existed?

The first man was of the earth, of dust; ​

the second Man the Lord from heaven. ​

(1 Corinthians 15:47)​

​

that should settle the question

Christ is God; He is not 'created'
before dust even existed, I AM

the man Christ Jesus is God manifest in the flesh - that flesh was formed thousands of years after Adam, descended from Adam, a piece of Adam, 'The Seed of the woman' -- Woman being called 'Woman' because she was taken from Adam, formed out of his own flesh. which is dust mixed with water; clay

 

[posthuman]

Interesting question, I say yes Jesus is the first Man begotten before the world began. I believe Job refers to him here Job 15:7

Art thou the first man that was born? or wast thou made before the hills?

that's Eliphaz speaking in Job 15, referring to Adam.
the LORD said of Eliphaz, that he did not speak the truth about Him ((Job 42:7)).

 

[VickyK]

Yes.......and NO He was not the FIRST MAN as in a man of earthly flesh and bone.........that was Adam

So Adam came before Jesus?

 

[VickyK]

The first man was of the earth, of dust; ​

the second Man the Lord from heaven. ​

(1 Corinthians 15:47)​

​

that should settle the question

Christ is God; He is not 'created'
before dust even existed, I AM

the man Christ Jesus is God manifest in the flesh - that flesh was formed thousands of years after Adam, descended from Adam, a piece of Adam, 'The Seed of the woman' -- Woman being called 'Woman' because she was taken from Adam, formed out of his own flesh. which is dust mixed with water; clay

I specified Jesus, not Christ.

 

[posthuman]

I specified Jesus, not Christ.

which is why the answer is no. Jesus was not born before Adam.
if God was manifest as a body of dust before 1AD His name was Melchizedek.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

I specified Jesus, not Christ.

Jesus has always existed in spiritual form as he was part of the trinity. Adam existed before the physical Jesus, man, that was born on the earth and crucified.
So Jesus, as a spiritual being, has always existed, but Jesus as a physical man, has not and thus is not the first 'man'.

 

[Deuteronomy]

So Adam came before Jesus?

Hello Vicky, the Lord Jesus Christ is God, now incarnate. He is our Creator, the One who created the universe and everything in it, so He clearly predates our progenitors, Adam and Eve (He, in fact, is the One who created them) .. e.g. John 1:1-4, 14; Colossians 1:16-17, 2:9.

Jesus is God the Son, both from and to everlasting. As such, He is the eternal Divine Being with an eternal Divine nature, but He took on a second, human nature about 2,000 years ago at His Incarnation, when He was born as a human (bones, flesh and blood) baby to the Virgin Mary in the human line of King David of Israel (and as such, He is both King David's Creator AND his son, or as Jesus puts it in Revelation 22:16, He is "the root AND the offspring of David").

Jesus came here to save us from both the power of sin, and the penalty of our sins, as well from His Father's wrath in the age to come. He was born, lived and died on the Cross, for our sake, was resurrected and glorified, and He then ascended back into Heaven (where He came from) where He continues to live today as the God/man (though His human body is a glorified, eternal human body).

Here is what one of the four historic creeds of the church has to say about Him and His dual (Divine and human) nature.

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The Symbol of Chalcedon​

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We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, ​

the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages ​

of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, ​

the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in ​

two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by ​

the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted ​

or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets ​

from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy ​

Fathers has handed down to us.​

~Deut

 

[VickyK]

Jesus has always existed in spiritual form as he was part of the trinity. Adam existed before the physical Jesus, man, that was born on the earth and crucified.
So Jesus, as a spiritual being, has always existed, but Jesus as a physical man, has not and thus is not the first 'man'.

Jesus is fully human and fully divine (FHaFD), he is physical by definition.

 

[VickyK]

Hello Vicky, the Lord Jesus Christ is God, now incarnate. He is our Creator, the One who created the universe and everything in it, so He clearly predates our progenitors, Adam and Eve (He, in fact, is the One who created them) .. e.g. John 1:1-4, 14; Colossians 1:16-17, 2:9.

Jesus is God the Son, both from and to everlasting. As such, He is the eternal Divine Being with an eternal Divine nature, but He took on a second, human nature about 2,000 years ago at His Incarnation, when He was born as a human (bones, flesh and blood) baby to the Virgin Mary in the human line of King David of Israel (and as such, He is both King David's Creator AND his son, or as Jesus puts it in Revelation 22:16, He is "the root AND the offspring of David").

Jesus came here to save us from both the power of sin, and the penalty of our sins, as well from His Father's wrath in the age to come. He was born, lived and died on the Cross, for our sake, was resurrected and glorified, and He then ascended back into Heaven (where He came from) where He continues to live today as the God/man (though His human body is a glorified, eternal human body).

Here is what one of the four historic creeds of the church has to say about Him and His dual (Divine and human) nature.

​

The Symbol of Chalcedon​

​

We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, ​

the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages ​

of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, ​

the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in ​

two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by ​

the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted ​

or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets ​

from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy ​

Fathers has handed down to us.​

~Deut

No, Jesus is fully human and fully divine.

 

[Aerials1978]

I haven’t quite determined if your OP’s are meant to seek theological discussions or to be argumentative.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

I haven’t quite determined if your OP’s are meant to seek theological discussions or to be argumentative.

She hasn't been argumentative. So why would we assume so now?
She just seems blunt and to the point, which I can appreciate.
But I'll answer her questions with scripture.
Read John chapter 1 it explains this quite well.

 

[Deuteronomy]

No, Jesus is fully human and fully divine.

Hello again Vicki, you just said, "Jesus is fully human and fully Divine", and I completely agree you about that. So I am wondering, what did I say and/or posit in my last post to you that makes you think otherwise

Thanks

~Deut

 

[VickyK]

She hasn't been argumentative. So why would we assume so now?
She just seems blunt and to the point, which I can appreciate.
But I'll answer her questions with scripture.
Read John chapter 1 it explains this quite well.

I have read John Chapter 1...it doesn't mention Jesus.

 

[VickyK]

Hello again Vicki, you just said, "Jesus is fully human and fully Divine", and I completely agree you about that. So I am wondering, what did I say and/or posit in my last post to you that makes you think otherwise

Thanks

~Deut

Hi Deut.

'Jesus is God the Son, both from and to everlasting. As such, He is the eternal Divine Being with an eternal Divine nature, but He took on a second, human nature about 2,000 years ago at His Incarnation, when He was born as a human'

This suggests that Jesus was not fully human.