Was Jesus planning to return within a generation?

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Adstar

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Then why in the verse right before Jesus says, "some standing shall not taste death...", does it say, "For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done."

This means when the Son of Man comes, there will be judgement and angels with Jesus. Which there wasn't.
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Luke renders as below..
Luke 9: KJV
27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."

But i still have no problem with the rendering in Matthew..
Matthew 16: KJV
28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

I believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One and so when the Apostles saw the tongues of fire coming upon them as they prayed in the room on the day of Pentecost they saw Jesus coming down and establishing His Spiritual Kingdom..

Yes Jesus will come with His Angels and He will carry out judgement.. That will happen on his second coming.. But this is a different return then when he returned in the form of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost..
 
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Adstar said:
Luke renders as below..
Luke 9: KJV
27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."

But i still have no problem with the rendering in Matthew..
Matthew 16: KJV
28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

I believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One and so when the Apostles saw the tongues of fire coming upon them as they prayed in the room on the day of Pentecost they saw Jesus coming down and establishing His Spiritual Kingdom..

Yes Jesus will come with His Angels and He will carry out judgement.. That will happen on his second coming.. But this is a different return then when he returned in the form of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost..
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Why do we think that judgement didn't already come? Judgement did fall on the covenant breakers, that generation did fall under judgement and not one stone was left on another. Judgement fell on that generation in that generation. Everything, the temple, the priesthood genealogies, that was the end of the "Aion", the age of sacrifice was over. All came to pass just as He said it would, and if it wasn't then that makes Jesus wrong. Was Jesus wrong? Or did EVERYTHING He say come to pass just as He said?

We all seem to agree what Jesus foretold was the Kingdom is established, then Judgement. I just think it's so clear that judgement fell on those Jews. The very ones Pilate asked the crowd, "shall I crucify your King?", and was answered with, "we have no King but Caesar, crucify Him!".
Yea, I believe judgement fell on them in that time. Have you read about this event? Whew it was eating your own baby, streets flowing with blood, everybody dies now, bad. It makes the time when Jesus was on His way to the cross and tells the lady not to weep for Him, but to weep for her children, because He knew what was coming for them.

This is the way I have come to see it so far, and it is so awesome knowing Jesus is seated now on His throne with ALL authority in heaven.....and on earth, and is reigning until ALL enemies have been made a footstool for His feet!!! Holla-boo-ya, He is King of EVERYTHING!!! And what blows my mind more than that is He takes completely broken, rejected, haters of God like me and shows His strength through our weakness, man we have an awesome God!!
 
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This topic has been on my mind for months. It does seem from the Holy Bible that everything should have happened in the first century, but we must not let this discourage us. If we don't know something, it will be clear to us in the next world. We must do our part to make sure this realization doesn't come to us when we've already been thrown to Hell. God says that those who have believed without seeing are blessed, so we can put this problem aside for now and trust in Him to make everything right.
 
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Victor1999 said:
This topic has been on my mind for months. It does seem from the Holy Bible that everything should have happened in the first century, but we must not let this discourage us. If we don't know something, it will be clear to us in the next world. We must do our part to make sure this realization doesn't come to us when we've already been thrown to Hell. God says that those who have believed without seeing are blessed, so we can put this problem aside for now and trust in Him to make everything right.
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Why is that discouraging? The Tribulation and 2nd coming has been postponed so that us Gentiles can enter into salvation by the grace of God. We should be rejoicing instead :). (Romans 9-11)
 
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Guojing said:
Why is that discouraging? The Tribulation and 2nd coming has been postponed so that us Gentiles can enter into salvation by the grace of God. We should be rejoicing instead :). (Romans 9-11)
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yes he said it

@Victor1999 dispensationalism is key here. if the jews as nation would accept Jesus in that time of His ministry, the kingdom would be come then. the millennium, the kingdom returned to Israel tha st.peter asked Jesus about in acts 1:6.

but because they didnt and kept rejecting and when they stone stephen Jesus was standing up in heaven because He was ready to come back if they were accept. but they didnt last time so now God raised up st.paul and gave him some mysteries like rapture, jew and gentile as one body in church, and now the message is going to gentiles. then when time of gentiles is full and church is completed God goes back to dealing primarily with israel again in the jacob's trouble. last week of daniel
 
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Guojing said:
Are you aware that, the way you write, readers cannot tell whether you are agreeing or disagreeing?
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Sorry, some cannot. There are no views as a sign that we can look forward to. we walk by faith (the unseen) Signs of the seasons like in the days of Noah Yes.

Jesus said it a evil generation natural man that does look for signs and wonders or wonderments none are given.

The two witnesses is the law and the prophets .The gospel will be silenced for a short period. Can't kill the messenger.

Makes me wonder as we are informed when he comes will he find His faith working in the heart of individuals .Or those walking after the experiences of their own hearts like in the days of Noah evil all the time.

Luke 18:7-9 King James Version (KJV)And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
 
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garee said:
The two witnesses is the law and the prophets .The gospel will be silenced for a short period. Can't kill the messenger.
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You have a weird interpretation of Rev 11 then.
 
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Victor1999 said:
It does seem from the Holy Bible that everything should have happened in the first century...
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Ideally all of Israel should have believed on their Messiah, received Him as their Savior, and told Pontius Pilate to let Jesus go since he found no fault in Him. But that did not happen and so we are here today.
 
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garee said:
Sorry, some cannot. There are no views as a sign that we can look forward to. we walk by faith (the unseen) Signs of the seasons like in the days of Noah Yes.

Jesus said it a evil generation natural man that does look for signs and wonders or wonderments none are given.

The two witnesses is the law and the prophets .The gospel will be silenced for a short period. Can't kill the messenger.

Makes me wonder as we are informed when he comes will he find His faith working in the heart of individuals .Or those walking after the experiences of their own hearts like in the days of Noah evil all the time.

Luke 18:7-9 King James Version (KJV)And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
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You didn't even begin to answer the question that Guojing directly asked you. Instead you blather on as though you haven't even seen the question.
 
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Dino246 said:
You didn't even begin to answer the question that Guojing directly asked you. Instead you blather on as though you haven't even seen the question.
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I am guessing English is not his first language? :)
 
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Dino246 said:
You didn't even begin to answer the question that Guojing directly asked you. Instead you blather on as though you haven't even seen the question.
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It could seem that way. We are still working on the idea of Lost Tribes (a red flag) and what is means to keep the law.
 
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garee said:
It could seem that way. We are still working on the idea of Lost Tribes (a red flag) and what is means to keep the law.
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More irrelevant bafflegab, and still no answer to the question.
 
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Adstar said:
Matthew 10. 23 .. Jesus the Holy Spirit and the Father are One.. The kingdom of holy Spirit indwelled Christians started on the Day of Penticost and the Apostles had not reached all the towns of Israel by that time..

Matthew 16 :28 .. Again the Day of Penticost is when the Kingdom was established.. A Kingdom cannot come into being without having it's first subjects/ citizens.. And the Apostles because the first citizens of the Kingdom on the day of penticost..

Matthew 24:34 That generation is the generation that would be seeing the signs Jesus had just given.. Jesus was not talking about the generation He was revealing the prophecy too He was talking about the future generation that would be seeing the signs He prophecised..

Luke 21: KJV
28 "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."
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I believe your interpretation to be false. The generation of those standing there was, indeed, the same generation that saw him come in his kingdom, the church, and he has been reigning sense that time in his kingdom as king and and also as the husband.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
I believe your interpretation to be false. The generation of those standing there was, indeed, the same generation that saw him come in his kingdom, the church, and he has been reigning sense that time in his kingdom as king and and also as the husband.
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I don’t see the lion laying down with a sheep in peace, Nor do I see children playing with serpents.

Do you?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
I believe your interpretation to be false. The generation of those standing there was, indeed, the same generation that saw him come in his kingdom, the church, and he has been reigning sense that time in his kingdom as king and and also as the husband.
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I believe your interpretation is false.. Christians are not reigning on earth and Jesus is not ruling the nations with an Rod of Iron.. The 1000 years has not started yet.. It will start when Jesus returns..
 
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MasterYourLife said:
"Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." Matthew 10:23

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” Matthew 16:28

"Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened." Matthew 24:34
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Briefly as possible, I believe the generation referred to is the complete generation of man……….flesh that is.
 
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Adstar said:
I believe your interpretation is false.. Christians are not reigning on earth and Jesus is not ruling the nations with an Rod of Iron.. The 1000 years has not started yet.. It will start when Jesus returns..
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I disagree, I believe Jesus IS seated on His throne at the right hand of the Father with all authority in heaven and on earth, just like He says, and is reigning right now until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet. I agree that it's still in the process of being put under Him, but my Savior Jesus Christ is King right now today!!! Have you ever read the verse you're referring to? It's Isaiah 11, and right after the wolf/lamb lion/lamb verse it goes into explaining how the nations will be gathered, I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I DO ABSOLUTELY 100% with all my mind body and spirit believe that Jesus Christ is seated right now reigning until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet.

I just don't believe I'm waiting for the end of the "world", I don't believe the bible even talks about "the" end, I believe the end of the "aion', or age written about in Revelation came to pass in that generation just like Jesus said it would. I don't think anything you put forth contradicts my beliefs in what Gods word says.
 
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Adstar said:
Matthew 10. 23 .. Jesus the Holy Spirit and the Father are One.. The kingdom of holy Spirit indwelled Christians started on the Day of Penticost and the Apostles had not reached all the towns of Israel by that time..

Matthew 16 :28 .. Again the Day of Penticost is when the Kingdom was established.. A Kingdom cannot come into being without having it's first subjects/ citizens.. And the Apostles because the first citizens of the Kingdom on the day of penticost..

Matthew 24:34 That generation is the generation that would be seeing the signs Jesus had just given.. Jesus was not talking about the generation He was revealing the prophecy too He was talking about the future generation that would be seeing the signs He prophecised..

Luke 21: KJV
28 "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."
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No offense, Adstar, but I believe that you are misquoting Matthew 24:34. That generation did, indeed, see the Kingdom on the day of Pentecost and not just the signs of a future kingdom. You said it in your scripture quote of Matthew 16:28, that the day of Pentecost is when the kingdom was established.
 
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