War between flesh and spirit

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
16,723
554
113
#21
Thank you I will this more when I come home and read all the bible verses to :)
You are in by God not anyone else, as God and Son are One, as Son won for us all to stand in that truth, amen to you sis
 

ImLova

Active member
Aug 7, 2024
222
176
43
#22
You are in by God not anyone else, as God and Son are One, as Son won for us all to stand in that truth, amen to you sis
Thank you for all the good words, and reminding me of Gods love, that I am saved thru Jesus. I not need to look back to what have been. I can look up to him, and see he is with me, he help me from morning to evening. He is worthy all the glory.
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
16,723
554
113
#23
Thank you for all the good words, and reminding me of Gods love, that I am saved thru Jesus. I not need to look back to what have been. I can look up to him, and see he is with me, he help me from morning to evening. He is worthy all the glory.
Yes, and for me, I see this, when I knew in me that sin was going on in me not wanting that to be. Therefore, I asked God for more forgiveness. I got this:
Do you think I will ever send my Son or anyone else back again to a cross to die for all sin all over again? John 1:29, John 19:30
I replied, no, that would say it is not done by Son for us the people, when it is done by Son John 19:30, 1 John 2:1-4 for us to believe you and ask in belief for the new life offered in your risen Son for us, that you will join in with us in your Holy Spirit, as a matter of fact you seek
this

John 4:23-24

Authorized (King James) Version

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

We, at least me has come to see to be dead to me the first birth natural person daily, to be alive to God in God's Spirit and Truth, known as the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit that led Jesus first. We get given this to stand in by belief that does not stop, even if troubles try to get us to stop, we, at least me does not stop, even as in the book of job, Job would not deny God either.
troubles happen to those that do believe God, as evil wants the control, not God to be in control.
God does not want to be in control either, What????????? I hear religion responding to that.
=Yap!!!!!!!!!!!! God wants a willing person to be willing as Son was all the way to that cross, that turned out for the best to get us saved in and be freed in this love and mercy given us, at least me, I now see after along walk off a short pier daily
Anyone else willing, it is between God and you to answer that between God and you, thank you
 

ImLova

Active member
Aug 7, 2024
222
176
43
#24
Yes, and for me, I see this, when I knew in me that sin was going on in me not wanting that to be. Therefore, I asked God for more forgiveness. I got this:
Do you think I will ever send my Son or anyone else back again to a cross to die for all sin all over again? John 1:29, John 19:30
I replied, no, that would say it is not done by Son for us the people, when it is done by Son John 19:30, 1 John 2:1-4 for us to believe you and ask in belief for the new life offered in your risen Son for us, that you will join in with us in your Holy Spirit, as a matter of fact you seek
this

John 4:23-24

Authorized (King James) Version

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

We, at least me has come to see to be dead to me the first birth natural person daily, to be alive to God in God's Spirit and Truth, known as the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit that led Jesus first. We get given this to stand in by belief that does not stop, even if troubles try to get us to stop, we, at least me does not stop, even as in the book of job, Job would not deny God either.
troubles happen to those that do believe God, as evil wants the control, not God to be in control.
God does not want to be in control either, What????????? I hear religion responding to that.
=Yap!!!!!!!!!!!! God wants a willing person to be willing as Son was all the way to that cross, that turned out for the best to get us saved in and be freed in this love and mercy given us, at least me, I now see after along walk off a short pier daily
Anyone else willing, it is between God and you to answer that between God and you, thank you
thank you for explaining so clearly. this is helping me in my trouble of the past catching wanting me to go back, doing the same. All the lies in my head, only one time... just little... you make some one else happy if you go back... and so on. To remind myself of what bible say and what Jesus has done for me is the only way to not fall for that.
 
Apr 7, 2024
101
43
28
66
#25
*Romans 7-details the painful battle between our flesh and spirit.

Dear God, help me break the cycle of my out of control thoughts. I want Your truths to invade every decision, every emotion, every thought I have. In Jesus Name, Amen

Father, right now I cast all of my cares, worries, and anxiety unto You. I lay them down at Your feet and pick up Your peace, joy and hope. Phil. 4:6-8: 2 Corinthians 10:5
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


You cannot choose your circumstances, but you can choose your thoughts. Prov. 4:23

What you feed your mind with becomes a mindset.

The conflict in you is your longing for more. A life of abundant joy. A life of abundant love, peace hope.

Confess what you believe not what you feel

Until we consider ourselves “crucified with Christ” ( Galations 2:20), the soul and body battle with the supremacy. We continue to live in a state of defeat until we die to self and allow the Spirit to have full control over every aspect of our lives, both inner and outer man.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

HUMAN SPIRIT

The human spirit is the very breath of Almighty God and was breathed into man at the beginning of Gods creation.

The human spirit includes our intellect, emotions, fears, passions, and creativity

When Adam sinned, his ability to fellowship with God was broken; he did not die physically that day but he died spiritually

Upon the acceptance of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit of God joins with our own spirit in ways we cannot comprehend.

He has given us His Spirit... 1 John 4:13 =This is how we know that we live in Him and He in us.

When we allow the Spirit of God to lead our lives, the {“Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children Rom. 8:16. AS CHILDREN OF GOD, WE ARE NO LONGER LED BY OUR OWN SPIRIT BUT BY GOD’S SPIRIT WHICH LEADS US TO ETERNAL Life.
It is a good start to identify the flesh and its sinful lusts. Step 2 is to identify the "delight in the law of God" that exists in the inner man (Ro 7:22) and is at war with the flesh (Ro 7:23). Step 3 is to understand that these things are true for you only because you are in Christ and Christ is in you (Ro 8:9-10). Step 4 is to accept that "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Ro 8:1). And the final step is to learn to walk in the Spirit so as to not fulfil the lusts of the flesh (Ga 5:16-17).
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
16,723
554
113
#26
thank you for explaining so clearly. this is helping me in my trouble of the past catching wanting me to go back, doing the same. All the lies in my head, only one time... just little... you make some one else happy if you go back... and so on. To remind myself of what bible say and what Jesus has done for me is the only way to not fall for that.
hopefully you stand, I hope for God to reveal to you, even if you don't, God will not punish you as religious people do, I used to be very religious, went through that and was beat up, so bad and so stressed out as never ever being good enough for good to continue to love me. When in truth it was that religion that did that, to me, that I did not see and was put under Law to not do.
What did I do??????????????????? oh yeah as Paul talks of in Romans 7, yes experienced it, got trapped in it, trying to not to do it again and what continued? Yes the sin I now hated, had control of me. It was me trying to not do it, that deceived me. I had to learn new in what God wants from me and not forcefully ever.
I saw this analogy, anyone can lead a horse to water, can anyone make that horse drink? I saw what religion does, it manipulates and forces people to follow them in religion and be a person better than others. As if God will be impressed over it!

Willingness, is what God seeks from people. that is what free will is. Just take a look at Jesus in that Garden of Gethsemane, When he asked Father? Is there any other way?
Then said nevertheless your will Father not mine!
Wow, I see for me personally to be willing to even die presently whenever God says it is time not me or anyone else's. That is belief beyond any flesh nature understanding
thanks
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
16,723
554
113
#27
It is a good start to identify the flesh and its sinful lusts. Step 2 is to identify the "delight in the law of God" that exists in the inner man (Ro 7:22) and is at war with the flesh (Ro 7:23). Step 3 is to understand that these things are true for you only because you are in Christ and Christ is in you (Ro 8:9-10). Step 4 is to accept that "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Ro 8:1). And the final step is to learn to walk in the Spirit so as to not fulfil the lusts of the flesh (Ga 5:16-17).
copied that, thank you
 

ImLova

Active member
Aug 7, 2024
222
176
43
#28
hopefully you stand, I hope for God to reveal to you, even if you don't, God will not punish you as religious people do, I used to be very religious, went through that and was beat up, so bad and so stressed out as never ever being good enough for good to continue to love me. When in truth it was that religion that did that, to me, that I did not see and was put under Law to not do.
What did I do??????????????????? oh yeah as Paul talks of in Romans 7, yes experienced it, got trapped in it, trying to not to do it again and what continued? Yes the sin I now hated, had control of me. It was me trying to not do it, that deceived me. I had to learn new in what God wants from me and not forcefully ever.
I saw this analogy, anyone can lead a horse to water, can anyone make that horse drink? I saw what religion does, it manipulates and forces people to follow them in religion and be a person better than others. As if God will be impressed over it!

Willingness, is what God seeks from people. that is what free will is. Just take a look at Jesus in that Garden of Gethsemane, When he asked Father? Is there any other way?
Then said nevertheless your will Father not mine!
Wow, I see for me personally to be willing to even die presently whenever God says it is time not me or anyone else's. That is belief beyond any flesh nature understanding
thanks
thank you so good words. I believe I focus to much on I what I should not do rather than focus on what God has for me and what he want me to do.
 

Pilgrimshope

Well-known member
Sep 2, 2020
14,656
5,908
113
#29
Since we are free from the power of sin, we can choose to "mortify" the deeds of the flesh. I think this can be done through a type of "starvation" if we make no provision for the flesh, those deeds should die off from starvation. For example the person who have difficulty with alcohol may avoid going into bars.
“we can choose to "mortify" the deeds of the flesh. “

hearing and following the gospel , the things Jesus taught us will crucify the lusts of the flesh as we focus on following after him and is actually what we are set free from the dominion and control sin has over us to pull us into sin

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-18‬ ‭

If we just stick with Jesus and his teachings it’s designed to our our flesh to death and fill us with spirit and life that quickens

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we focus on Jesus as the gospel presents him to us he will bring us to life again
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
16,723
554
113
#30
thank you so good words. I believe I focus to much on I what I should not do rather than focus on what God has for me and what he want me to do.
As I see it, just love and be aware of. Sometimes, people we know, need to become people we knew.
I was an alcoholic 40 years ago now. I had to leave that state I was in back then. I moved away and still continued in a drinking problem as well as was wanted in that state, for driving drunk, for the third time.
That was before driving drunk became a felony
I needed, seeing drinking was not beneficial to me and by God saw in me why I was the drunk I was. My sister died at age 18, on an overdose of drugs. I was 14 then. It was me not accepting this tragedy, that got me to drinking, not accept her as dead!
God from within me got me to see it, and I accepted it, my sister did die physically.

Then I saw to accept this also. She either is saved by God (As people do not see that as true) Or not saved by God.
I saw Jeremiah 29:11 and I believe God only wants what is best for each person, even though people make the wrong choices to learn from, therefore stop beating ourselves up over making the wrong choice, even if doing it again. begin new again in trusting God to show you how to say not to unrighteousness.
God, to this day has never left me or forsaken me, Yet many a times, I have felt like he has, going through troubles also as all do go through. Therefore God will not leave anyone, it can and does while in pain and troubles feel as if has and in truth has not. Therefore continue in belief (Faith) to God all in all, and one will leave the trash in the trash can and not return to that trash can
I see this:
I was living out of a trash can, getting all the scraps I can. Then a king/Queen betrothed me. I got pulled out of the trash can and got married
I see I do not care to even have another thought of those now gone days. I eat from the King/Queens table now
As you and others choose willingly to believe God too, will see and do new in trust only to God to get them through whatever it is they are going through
Any persons mind will do whatever their mind set focuses on the most
As I know this is true with me and suspect true with all people
Therefore I need, needed a new mindset, yet a new heart first Ezekiel 36:26, Micah

Micah 6:7-8

Living Bible

7 For if you offered him thousands of rams and ten thousands of rivers of olive oil—would that please him? Would he be satisfied? If you sacrificed your oldest child, would that make him glad? Then would he forgive your sins? Of course not!
8 No, he has told you what he wants, and this is all it is: to be fair, just, merciful, and to walk humbly with your God.

Ezekiel 36:26

Living Bible

26 And I will give you a new heart—I will give you new and right desires—and put a new spirit within you. I will take out your stony hearts of sin and give you new hearts of love.[a]
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
16,723
554
113
#31
“we can choose to "mortify" the deeds of the flesh. “

hearing and following the gospel , the things Jesus taught us will crucify the lusts of the flesh as we focus on following after him and is actually what we are set free from the dominion and control sin has over us to pull us into sin

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-18‬ ‭

If we just stick with Jesus and his teachings it’s designed to our our flesh to death and fill us with spirit and life that quickens

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we focus on Jesus as the gospel presents him to us he will bring us to life again
As I found
Romans 7:10 does to those under Law as Paul was when was a Pharisee under Law, it deceived him to do as told. To be better that others as I see this too , when I was under Law (could be there again) yet by God I am not and God never has forsaken me in learning the truth over the error(s) that got in me at first also
Being thankful, he did take away sin all the nasty nines and dirty dozen once for us all to be thankful in and not use for any self gain in using anyone to get whatever one might want presently ever, at least this I see after years of religion first. Where I was creating hardship in me and others trying to do Law and was not loving all as called
Wow, woe became me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
 

ImLova

Active member
Aug 7, 2024
222
176
43
#32
As I see it, just love and be aware of. Sometimes, people we know, need to become people we knew.
I was an alcoholic 40 years ago now. I had to leave that state I was in back then. I moved away and still continued in a drinking problem as well as was wanted in that state, for driving drunk, for the third time.
That was before driving drunk became a felony
I needed, seeing drinking was not beneficial to me and by God saw in me why I was the drunk I was. My sister died at age 18, on an overdose of drugs. I was 14 then. It was me not accepting this tragedy, that got me to drinking, not accept her as dead!
God from within me got me to see it, and I accepted it, my sister did die physically.

Then I saw to accept this also. She either is saved by God (As people do not see that as true) Or not saved by God.
I saw Jeremiah 29:11 and I believe God only wants what is best for each person, even though people make the wrong choices to learn from, therefore stop beating ourselves up over making the wrong choice, even if doing it again. begin new again in trusting God to show you how to say not to unrighteousness.
God, to this day has never left me or forsaken me, Yet many a times, I have felt like he has, going through troubles also as all do go through. Therefore God will not leave anyone, it can and does while in pain and troubles feel as if has and in truth has not. Therefore continue in belief (Faith) to God all in all, and one will leave the trash in the trash can and not return to that trash can
I see this:
I was living out of a trash can, getting all the scraps I can. Then a king/Queen betrothed me. I got pulled out of the trash can and got married
I see I do not care to even have another thought of those now gone days. I eat from the King/Queens table now
As you and others choose willingly to believe God too, will see and do new in trust only to God to get them through whatever it is they are going through
Any persons mind will do whatever their mind set focuses on the most
As I know this is true with me and suspect true with all people
Therefore I need, needed a new mindset, yet a new heart first Ezekiel 36:26, Micah

Micah 6:7-8

Living Bible

7 For if you offered him thousands of rams and ten thousands of rivers of olive oil—would that please him? Would he be satisfied? If you sacrificed your oldest child, would that make him glad? Then would he forgive your sins? Of course not!
8 No, he has told you what he wants, and this is all it is: to be fair, just, merciful, and to walk humbly with your God.

Ezekiel 36:26

Living Bible

26 And I will give you a new heart—I will give you new and right desires—and put a new spirit within you. I will take out your stony hearts of sin and give you new hearts of love.[a]
Yes, to let some people I know to be people I knew. you are really right about that. I have not see it in this way, but it is so true in my case. I have to let go, not listen to the voices of how I make some one disappointed if I not let go and do what I did for them before. In winter is more easy then I have my snowboarding and snowmobile that gives me adventure and focus. I did not believe it would be so easy to lose focus as it became this summer. But at the same time, based on experience, I have realized how important it is not to lose focus on living close to God.
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
16,723
554
113
#33
Yes, to let some people I know to be people I knew. you are really right about that. I have not see it in this way, but it is so true in my case. I have to let go, not listen to the voices of how I make some one disappointed if I not let go and do what I did for them before. In winter is more easy then I have my snowboarding and snowmobile that gives me adventure and focus. I did not believe it would be so easy to lose focus as it became this summer. But at the same time, based on experience, I have realized how important it is not to lose focus on living close to God.
This I see, in everything I do or anywhere I go, to look for Gold Nuggets from God'
An Example would be a movie
Magnum force
Clint Eastwood at the end the words I heard were
"A man has got to know his own limitations"
That has been a base point for me to see to not go beyond things that might got me trapped or had me trapped priorly
All I am saying, is seek out "Gold Nuggets" wherever you go, whatever you do, and You will make much better decisions growing up into God's maturity for you too, not religious ones, true love permeate through you at least me I see this truth of true love of 1 Cor 13:4-7
Leaving the milk behind as in Hebrews 5:12-Chapter 6
 

ImLova

Active member
Aug 7, 2024
222
176
43
#34
This I see, in everything I do or anywhere I go, to look for Gold Nuggets from God'
An Example would be a movie
Magnum force
Clint Eastwood at the end the words I heard were
"A man has got to know his own limitations"
That has been a base point for me to see to not go beyond things that might got me trapped or had me trapped priorly
All I am saying, is seek out "Gold Nuggets" wherever you go, whatever you do, and You will make much better decisions growing up into God's maturity for you too, not religious ones, true love permeate through you at least me I see this truth of true love of 1 Cor 13:4-7
Leaving the milk behind as in Hebrews 5:12-Chapter 6
yes in stead of see how close I can go to something that might get me to fall I should ask how far away can I go and how can I ceep close to God :)
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
16,723
554
113
#35
yes in stead of see how close I can go to something that might get me to fall I should ask how far away can I go and how can I ceep close to God :)
God is always with you and for you to see truth over error(s) this you will learn personally as have been already learning from this amazing grace given you.

Colossians 1:21-23

Living Bible

21 This includes you who were once so far away from God. You were his enemies and hated him and were separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions, yet now he has brought you back as his friends. 22 He has done this through the death on the cross of his own human body, and now as a result Christ has brought you into the very presence of God, and you are standing there before him with nothing left against you—nothing left that he could even chide you for; 23 the only condition is that you fully believe the Truth, standing in it steadfast and firm, strong in the Lord, convinced of the Good News that Jesus died for you, and never shifting from trusting him to save you. This is the wonderful news that came to each of you and is now spreading all over the world. And I, Paul, have the joy of telling it to others.