Walking Pneumonia

[Lynx]

You think literally everything is some evil conspiracy. Come back to reality

You must be new here. ZNP would never let mere facts get in the way of a good scare.

What I find odd is how much time ZNP spends on his computer... Given the EM radiation those things put out. I can't put a laptop or phone too close to the church soundboard, or the EM will make random buzzing sounds in the audio lines. ZNP probably gonna die of cancer before too long. Such an ironic end for someone who spends so much time hollering about health scares.

 

[ZNP]

You must be new here. ZNP would never let mere facts get in the way of a good scare.

What I find odd is how much time ZNP spends on his computer... Given the EM radiation those things put out. I can't put a laptop or phone too close to the church soundboard, or the EM will make random buzzing sounds in the audio lines. ZNP probably gonna die of cancer before too long. Such an ironic end for someone who spends so much time hollering about health scares.

Yep, gotta take precautions

https://www.tiktok.com/@thatguymaks/video/7332552717287689504

 

[ZNP]

LIVE: HMPV Outbreak in China: How It Affects Public Health and Global Safety? | NewsX

 

[ZNP]

Hospitals and crematoriums are overwhelmed?

LIVE | China HMPV Outbreak: New Pandemic Threat? HMPV Outbreak Sparks Global Concerns | HMPV Virus |

These are rumors, can't confirm because the Chinese government is opaque.

 

[ZNP]

China’s New Virus Outbreak - What We Know So Far | US-China Relations: Hacking

This appears to be a balanced approach to this issue between the two extremes of "It's Fake news" and Hysteria.

 

[gb9]

China’s New Virus Outbreak - What We Know So Far | US-China Relations: Hacking

This appears to be a balanced approach to this issue between the two extremes of "It's Fake news" and Hysteria.

it is being described as hmpv, a cold/flu like virus.

 

[ZNP]

New Virus Outbreak in China! More Virulent, Hospitals Overcrowded, Neighboring Countries Tense

Wow, it is for real. Sounds much worse than Covid.

 

[wolfwint]

I suppose I should clarify my position explaining why I posted this thread.

1. I believe the Bible is the word of God and I suppose that is going to be true of many people on this forum. Not all, but hopefully a significant percentage of those on this forum.

2. That means I also believe that during the tribulation we will see plague as one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

3. It also means I believe that Joel prophesied about the Covid19 pandemic and that pandemic was a sign that the day of the Lord was at hand.

4. I believe Covid19 was made in a bioweapons lab and intentionally released in China. I think it was very virulent though not particularly deadly. Instead I think they played a lot of tricks to make it look deadlier by categorizing anyone who died "with" Covid as having died because of Covid. Not only so but the treatment of Remdesivir and ventilators set on high was shown to be nearly always fatal. So treatment wasn't helping, on the contrary it boosted the number of deaths. Also, had they simply required people with fevers and symptoms to stay home we would have seen the virus sponaneously become less and less deadly as the least virulent strains would be the most successful. Pretty much everything they did was contrary to the known science and rather than helping actually made the situation worse.

However, I also believe this was a preview of what was to come. It was an act of war, so that is the red horse. It shut down businesses and so that was the black horse of famine. And it was a plague. Meanwhile we got a view of the white horse and how he operates. Fauci was a liar, that is certain, and all of his advice was bad if you you thought he was trying to reduce deaths and the impact. Meanwhile people who were recommending treatment that did work (HCQ and Ivermectin) were mocked mercilessly. So then the Lord has let us see what was coming.

Also, it is just like what the FreeMasons talk about, you create a crisis which will force everyone to take the "cure" which was your goal all along. I believe that the vaccine they pushed on people was the goal of the whole thing. I think that vaccine has given people AIDS. Not HIV but immune deficiency making them much more susceptible to the real coming attack.

We are about to go to war and that is not just bombs, it is also bioweapons, sieges and famine.

5. The first case of Covid19 was in the Fall of 2019 in China. The first case in the US was at the start of 2020. I think it makes sense to be vigilant and attentive because we are at war. We currently have Americans killing Russians in Russia. That is a hot war, a kinetic war between two nuclear powers. Israel and Iran are also at war, and they are both nuclear powers. N. Korea has also joined this war as has NATO and they are both nuclear powers.

I can understand why someone might have been skeptical in 2020 but at this point I don't have any more patience for the fools and clowns who have trolled this forum for the last four years, especially this last year during the election.

As for these stories about walking pneumonia I have not seen any indication of this, but I am going to continue to be vigilant and watchful.

Well your 1. Point I agree, your 2. Point willkommen for shure.
The theories/meanings in 3 and 4 I do not agree. You put to much meaning in it.
In history there were many plagues and famines. So Covid was till now the last big one. But it will for shure not be the last.
Youe meaning about the vaccine is pure speculation, but this is your right of course.

The increasing number of Pneumonia f.e. May be a result of the Covid time. Our immunsystem, special from children were not very much confrontet with all the kinds of virus and bacteria for to build antibodys. Now, after Covid our immunsystem is very much confrontet. Special at this season.

 

[ZNP]

Well your 1. Point I agree, your 2. Point willkommen for shure.
The theories/meanings in 3 and 4 I do not agree. You put to much meaning in it.
In history there were many plagues and famines. So Covid was till now the last big one. But it will for shure not be the last.
Youe meaning about the vaccine is pure speculation, but this is your right of course.

The increasing number of Pneumonia f.e. May be a result of the Covid time. Our immunsystem, special from children were not very much confrontet with all the kinds of virus and bacteria for to build antibodys. Now, after Covid our immunsystem is very much confrontet. Special at this season.

So then let me hit on a few key points with Joel (point #3)

1. Joel describes God declaring a worldwide sabbath. A sabbath in the Bible is when you shut down business, you are prohibited from doing business. There was also a limit to travel on the sabbath.

The prophecy that tells us that the Covid Pandemic was a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy is not that there was a pandemic, it was that there was a worldwide shutdown of commerce and travel. So yes, there have been pandemics before but never in human history has there been a worldwide shutdown of commerce and travel before.

And, that is also what Joel says. He makes it clear that when this happens it will never have happened before. So you cannot assume that OK, this will happen again in the future and that will be the real fulfillment because at that time no one will be able to say it has never happened before.

Yes, there were extremely limited quarantines in the past, never an entire city. London and Toronto come to mind, but they only quarantined houses and streets. What we saw during Covid we have never seen before in human history when it comes to quarantines, shutting down business and shutting down travel.

But there is more, Joel describes this plague as a super bug that is spliced together from four other bugs. That is how Covid19 has been described. Once again, we did have the black plague and the bubonic plague, and we did have Genghis Khan using dead infected bodies as projectiles, but never have we had a plague that was spliced together in the lab before.

Also, Joel specifically mentions the offerings to the churches being cut off. Never in US history have they shut down churches before.

Joel 1:2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers? 3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.

Joel then tells us that when we see these things the Day of the Lord is nigh and the Day of the Lord is at hand. It is a sign to tell us where we are in a timeline.

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

 

[ZNP]

Well your 1. Point I agree, your 2. Point willkommen for shure.
The theories/meanings in 3 and 4 I do not agree. You put to much meaning in it.
In history there were many plagues and famines. So Covid was till now the last big one. But it will for shure not be the last.
Youe meaning about the vaccine is pure speculation, but this is your right of course.

The increasing number of Pneumonia f.e. May be a result of the Covid time. Our immunsystem, special from children were not very much confrontet with all the kinds of virus and bacteria for to build antibodys. Now, after Covid our immunsystem is very much confrontet. Special at this season.

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Once you understand that the Pandemic was the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets, then you know we have 10 days (years) until the day of judgement. It is not speculative to say that during the day of the Lord the four horsemen of the apocalypse will be riding.

Yes, Covid will not be the last. Personally I believe the purpose of Covid was to get 6 billion people to take the vaccine and the vaccine has set the stage for the next plague which will be bigger and far more deadly.

 

[ZNP]

China’s New Virus Outbreak Spreads: New Updates | Chinese Economy: Stock Market | US-China

If we follow proper procedures -- wash hands frequently, stay home when you have symptoms, etc then we can greatly limit the spread. In a situation like that the only way they could really cause a spread is if they were spraying the disease from the air onto people, but that is something out of a crackpot apocalyptic movie. I mean if they did that you would notice, it would be like fogging a house. You could see it, you could smell it. It would be like that movie Mist.

 

[wolfwint]

So then let me hit on a few key points with Joel (point #3)

1. Joel describes God declaring a worldwide sabbath. A sabbath in the Bible is when you shut down business, you are prohibited from doing business. There was also a limit to travel on the sabbath.

The prophecy that tells us that the Covid Pandemic was a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy is not that there was a pandemic, it was that there was a worldwide shutdown of commerce and travel. So yes, there have been pandemics before but never in human history has there been a worldwide shutdown of commerce and travel before.

And, that is also what Joel says. He makes it clear that when this happens it will never have happened before. So you cannot assume that OK, this will happen again in the future and that will be the real fulfillment because at that time no one will be able to say it has never happened before.

Yes, there were extremely limited quarantines in the past, never an entire city. London and Toronto come to mind, but they only quarantined houses and streets. What we saw during Covid we have never seen before in human history when it comes to quarantines, shutting down business and shutting down travel.

But there is more, Joel describes this plague as a super bug that is spliced together from four other bugs. That is how Covid19 has been described. Once again, we did have the black plague and the bubonic plague, and we did have Genghis Khan using dead infected bodies as projectiles, but never have we had a plague that was spliced together in the lab before.

Also, Joel specifically mentions the offerings to the churches being cut off. Never in US history have they shut down churches before.

Joel 1:2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers? 3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.

In the case Joel meant this Covid.
Who says not thst something can come, which is more

So then let me hit on a few key points with Joel (point #3)

1. Joel describes God declaring a worldwide sabbath. A sabbath in the Bible is when you shut down business, you are prohibited from doing business. There was also a limit to travel on the sabbath.

The prophecy that tells us that the Covid Pandemic was a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy is not that there was a pandemic, it was that there was a worldwide shutdown of commerce and travel. So yes, there have been pandemics before but never in human history has there been a worldwide shutdown of commerce and travel before.

And, that is also what Joel says. He makes it clear that when this happens it will never have happened before. So you cannot assume that OK, this will happen again in the future and that will be the real fulfillment because at that time no one will be able to say it has never happened before.

Yes, there were extremely limited quarantines in the past, never an entire city. London and Toronto come to mind, but they only quarantined houses and streets. What we saw during Covid we have never seen before in human history when it comes to quarantines, shutting down business and shutting down travel.

But there is more, Joel describes this plague as a super bug that is spliced together from four other bugs. That is how Covid19 has been described. Once again, we did have the black plague and the bubonic plague, and we did have Genghis Khan using dead infected bodies as projectiles, but never have we had a plague that was spliced together in the lab before.

Also, Joel specifically mentions the offerings to the churches being cut off. Never in US history have they shut down churches before.

Joel 1:2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers? 3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.

Joel then tells us that when we see these things the Day of the Lord is nigh and the Day of the Lord is at hand. It is a sign to tell us where we are in a timeline.

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

You know that Joel speaks to the jews in Israel? Joel, dont know that there exist an America continent. Joel also dont know churches. But he knew the temple. Which was destroyed later in the year 70.
Why you think that Joel meant the future. Who says that this famine through the locust is not in his days? Joel 1, 2-3 would be logic then.

 

[wolfwint]

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Once you understand that the Pandemic was the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets, then you know we have 10 days (years) until the day of judgement. It is not speculative to say that during the day of the Lord the four horsemen of the apocalypse will be riding.

Yes, Covid will not be the last. Personally I believe the purpose of Covid was to get 6 billion people to take the vaccine and the vaccine has set the stage for the next plague which will be bigger and far more deadly.

Thats what people call conspiracy theory!

How you come to the conclusion that the feast of trumpets need an fulfillment?
According the book of levitikus it is a memorial day to celebrate every year for the Israelites people at the 1st. day of the 7th month.
Would you be right then, these 10 years are when? Counting from beginning of Covid ore from the end of Covid? Btw we have still Covid, not so much like in 2020 -2022, but we have it.

 

[ZNP]

In the case Joel meant this Covid.
Who says not thst something can come, which is more

Have you read Joel?

Joel 1:2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers? 3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.

It can't be something that is more, it has to be something that has never happened. Also, the bug is not the thing that has never happened, Joel describes it by using four bugs that have happened. It is the splicing together of these bugs and the shutdown to business, travel and the churches, that is what has never happened before. The next time we have "something more" you won't be able to say that.

You know that Joel speaks to the jews in Israel? Joel, dont know that there exist an America continent. Joel also dont know churches. But he knew the temple. Which was destroyed later in the year 70.

I know that Joel is the word of God and that Joel is telling us when the Day of the Lord is nigh, and according to Revelation that day impacts the entire earth, not just Israel.

Why you think that Joel meant the future. Who says that this famine through the locust is not in his days? Joel 1, 2-3 would be logic then.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

You can view the term "the day of the Lord" in the broad sense of the day the Lord's judgment comes to you, and so 70 AD and WW2 would be patterns. But they are clearly not the tribulation that is worse than anything many has ever gone through, and so you can also view the Day of the Lord as the last seven years of this age.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[wolfwint]

Have you read Joel?

Joel 1:2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers? 3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.

It can't be something that is more, it has to be something that has never happened. Also, the bug is not the thing that has never happened, Joel describes it by using four bugs that have happened. It is the splicing together of these bugs and the shutdown to business, travel and the churches, that is what has never happened before. The next time we have "something more" you won't be able to say that.



I know that Joel is the word of God and that Joel is telling us when the Day of the Lord is nigh, and according to Revelation that day impacts the entire earth, not just Israel.



Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

You can view the term "the day of the Lord" in the broad sense of the day the Lord's judgment comes to you, and so 70 AD and WW2 would be patterns. But they are clearly not the tribulation that is worse than anything many has ever gone through, and so you can also view the Day of the Lord as the last seven years of this age.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

No problem, its your assumtion. But your way to interprete opens much room for missinterpreting and false teaching.
To claim that Joel 2,2-3 is speaking from future is pure assumption and to say that Covid is the fulfillment of the feast of trumpets is baseless assumtion.
But not scripture based!

According your view then the tribulation time starts 2029/ 2030 right. 10 years past Beginn of covid pandemie, right?

 

[ZNP]

No problem, its your assumtion. But your way to interprete opens much room for missinterpreting and false teaching.
To claim that Joel 2,2-3 is speaking from future is pure assumption and to say that Covid is the fulfillment of the feast of trumpets is baseless assumtion.
But not scripture based!

According your view then the tribulation time starts 2029/ 2030 right. 10 years past Beginn of covid pandemie, right?

No, not right. If the Feast of Trumpets started a ten year period culminating in Armageddon in the fall of 2021, Armageddon is the summer of 2031.

There is nothing in the Bible that says the period of tribulation is seven years. Rather you have a seven year period that begins when the covenant with the many is confirmed (strengthened). That is what happened in 2024 on October 2 when the Pact for the Future strengthened Agenda 2030. Expositors assumed that was when the "tribulation" began, but that was simply an assumption without any Biblical support.

Jesus said clearly the period of intense tribulation such that had never been seen before in human history had been shortened, otherwise no flesh would survive. I believe that period will be exactly 6 years and that period will begin in June 2025 and end in June of 2031 when Jesus returns in glory in the clouds. That will be before Armageddon and no doubt Armageddon will be intense tribulation in which no flesh survives, but there are no elect in that army to be saved. When Jesus returns He rescues a third of the Jews in Israel and that is the end of Jesus rescuing the elect, after that it is simply judging the rebellious ones who refused to let Jesus rule over them.

 

[wolfwint]

No, not right. If the Feast of Trumpets started a ten year period culminating in Armageddon in the fall of 2021, Armageddon is the summer of 2031.

There is nothing in the Bible that says the period of tribulation is seven years. Rather you have a seven year period that begins when the covenant with the many is confirmed (strengthened). That is what happened in 2024 on October 2 when the Pact for the Future strengthened Agenda 2030. Expositors assumed that was when the "tribulation" began, but that was simply an assumption without any Biblical support.

Jesus said clearly the period of intense tribulation such that had never been seen before in human history had been shortened, otherwise no flesh would survive. I believe that period will be exactly 6 years and that period will begin in June 2025 and end in June of 2031 when Jesus returns in glory in the clouds. That will be before Armageddon and no doubt Armageddon will be intense tribulation in which no flesh survives, but there are no elect in that army to be saved. When Jesus returns He rescues a third of the Jews in Israel and that is the end of Jesus rescuing the elect, after that it is simply judging the rebellious ones who refused to let Jesus rule over them.

We will see in june!

 

[ZNP]

We will see in june!

We will see sooner than that.

 

[wolfwint]

We will see sooner than that.

What exactly?

 

[ZNP]

China Faces Several Pandemics; Strangely, More Than 500 Hospitals Shut Down in Just 1 year