Walking Pneumonia

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Have you seen any Pneumonia in your neighborhood?

  • I got pneumonia this fall

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Everyone in my family got Pneumonia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • People at my job or church have gotten Pneumonia

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • I work in health care and we are seeing a lot of Pneumonia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nope, haven't seen any of this with anyone

    Votes: 7 87.5%

  • Total voters
    8

shittim

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#61
We went through a phase where any who died were labeled "died from c-vid". Figures don't lie,but liars can be making the figures.
 

ZNP

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#62
You called another brother a clown🙏 'Freely He gave and freely you don't'.
Regarding my post and your response #56, you could have simply copied your post with the stats you say you posted. Since starting to go through the retorts on here, as usual the childish banter nauseated me. I looked up info regarding deaths from the vax and deaths w/o the vax. What's your guess which scored the most deaths? I'm not saying no one did not die from the vax but stats show way more people perished w/o the vax. The people in both my small groups got the vax that I know of, so at least 1-3? should be in heaven by now?
The life insurance companies have already reported a phenomenal increase in deaths in fortune 500 companies. These companies required everyone to be vaccinated. Their results showed that the increase in deaths far surpassed what they had modeled for even a 1,000 year event. This was after everyone was vaccinated. Is that proof? It is certainly evidence.

All the links and the reports have been posted on these threads. That was done a year ago.

There have been multiple stories, and research posted on these threads for the last few years.

If you read my posts it should be crystal clear by now that this person who continues to post making his claims about the vaccine being safe and effective never addresses any of the points that are made.

He freely admits that Fauci and others lied. He freely admits that the experimental vaccine mandate was illegal. He simply dismisses this as "shady stuff". Normally, that could be considered an opinion. However, this very same person goes ballistic over anyone who questions, challenges or has an opinion contrary to his over Alex Jones having a 1.5 billion dollar judgment. Why? Because one person had to move 10 times. Now consider how hypocritical that is. How many thousands were forced to lose their job over the vaccine mandate? How many of those had to move their house? I was one of those, my wife was one of those, my close friends were also some of those. If I referred to Alex Jones saying he did some shady stuff but basically his broadcasts have not hurt more than an acceptable number of people he would go ballistic and has gone ballistic. But that is what he says about the vaccine mandate. His hypocrisy on this issue is definitely clown world.

That same person uses terms like cuckoo and stupid to describe those of us raising issues. He has no leg to stand on to complain about a term like clown being applied to him. As you have done it will be done to you and with what judgment you judge you shall be judged. Check the posts he was the first one to begin hurling insults. His posts regularly mock, insult and ridicule all of those raising issues. Compare that with how hurt and outraged he gets at people having an opinion about Alex Jones contrary to his. No, there is plenty of reason to say what is being said.
 

Dude653

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You are now the one being shady. You don't dismiss lies and criminal behavior as "some shady stuff". I don't care if you got the vaccine. I am happy for everyone who did not die after getting the vaccine and that includes many of my relatives.

My issue is that I was forced out of my job as was my wife because we refused the vaccine and the people doing that lied to us and behaved in a criminal fashion.

The bottom line is I did not need the vaccine, my wife did not need it, we have no regrets in not getting it, and yet we were insulted, slandered and forced out of our jobs illegally.

And yet none of this has anything to do with the data. Most people who took the vaccine had no issues. That's just a fact

You justify 1.5 billion settlement over Alex Jones because some guy had to move ten times. Well, we had to give up our jobs, sell our house and move too. Now you simply dismiss that as "some shady stuff"?
Fauci might be guilty of everything you claim, but that still doesn't change the fact that the vaccine worked for the vast majority of people who took it
 

ZNP

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#64
Fauci might be guilty of everything you claim, but that still doesn't change the fact that the vaccine worked for the vast majority of people who took it
And what does that have to do with anything that I have said?

26 people sued Alex Jones, yet he gets over 10 million who views his program. So for the vast majority of those who watch his show it worked. Is that a valid response to the lawsuit against him? Are you justifying the treatment of all those people insulted, mocked and ridiculed, who lost their jobs and had to move? That is pure hypocrisy.

I have responded to your posts and asked you numerous questions. You don't answer them, other than agreeing that "some shady stuff" took place and yes Fauci lied.

So why do you keep bringing up something that is completely irrelevant and that I have never talked about? I have said repeatedly I am happy for those who did not die after taking the vaccine. Granted a surprisingly large amount of people have died after taking it, that is the point of the life insurance companies noting the huge increase in deaths among fortune 500 companies. I have also said that I am thankful for everyone who willingly and knowingly took the vaccine because they will help us determine if the vaccine is safe and effective. So your continuing to bring up this lame point only tells me you are trying to change the subject.
 

shittim

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#65
Not killing a person immediately isn't an indication it works, it was a cold virus, some people get colds others don't . I don't and I learned in Junior high you don't try to make a vaccine for a virus as they replicate too quickly, you boost and maintain the immune system. I know no one who died of this supposed "c-vid", I know two who died within hours of the ykw.
 

Dude653

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And what does that have to do with anything that I have said?

26 people sued Alex Jones, yet he gets over 10 million who views his program. So for the vast majority of those who watch his show it worked. Is that a valid response to the lawsuit against him? Are you justifying the treatment of all those people insulted, mocked and ridiculed, who lost their jobs and had to move? That is pure hypocrisy.

I have responded to your posts and asked you numerous questions. You don't answer them, other than agreeing that "some shady stuff" took place and yes Fauci lied.

So why do you keep bringing up something that is completely irrelevant and that I have never talked about? I have said repeatedly I am happy for those who did not die after taking the vaccine. Granted a surprisingly large amount of people have died after taking it, that is the point of the life insurance companies noting the huge increase in deaths among fortune 500 companies. I have also said that I am thankful for everyone who willingly and knowingly took the vaccine because they will help us determine if the vaccine is safe and effective. So your continuing to bring up this lame point only tells me you are trying to change the subject.
Yeah. Alex Jones is popular because he makes stupid people feel smart.
So yeah I guess people's gullibility does work for him because he's still getting viewers

I don't think anyone should have been forced to take the vaccine, but you've been on here for 3 years talking about how deadly it allegedly is and I've been saying the numbers just don't support your narrative

You also made a claim about 5G and the vaccine being related which is complete lunacy
 

ZNP

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Yeah. Alex Jones is popular because he makes stupid people feel smart.
So yeah I guess people's gullibility does work for him because he's still getting viewers

I don't think anyone should have been forced to take the vaccine, but you've been on here for 3 years talking about how deadly it allegedly is and I've been saying the numbers just don't support your narrative

You also made a claim about 5G and the vaccine being related which is complete lunacy
I made the claim? Can you point me to that post.

I know that I have posted links which may have discussed this as a theory. And this theory has some basis in experimental results as people have done research on the stuff in the vaccine put under the strong radiation that comes from 5G. I have not done any of that research, so I would not be making any claims. But I think it is relevant that everyone know about the research that is going on.

But you are saying "I made the claim". Not that I posted a link, and not that I referred to a claim someone else made. So by all means, point me to that post.
 

shittim

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Yeah. Alex Jones is popular because he makes stupid people feel smart.
So yeah I guess people's gullibility does work for him because he's still getting viewers

I don't think anyone should have been forced to take the vaccine, but you've been on here for 3 years talking about how deadly it allegedly is and I've been saying the numbers just don't support your narrative

You also made a claim about 5G and the vaccine being related which is complete lunacy
I am thankful for your example of how not to think and believe.
You are not alone in this as He continues to separate His sheep from the adversaries goats.
hope the best for you in spite of yourself:);)(y):unsure::coffee::giggle:
 

ZNP

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#69
I don't think anyone should have been forced to take the vaccine, but you've been on here for 3 years talking about how deadly it allegedly is and I've been saying the numbers just don't support your narrative
I have used the actuary tables from the life insurance companies for fortune 500 companies. This does not mean the "numbers" are high. Imagine, how many people actually die while working at a fortune 500 company. The "numbers" are probably very low. But if in one year you go from 0.001% to 0.01% that is a 10 fold increase. I am not looking at the "numbers" and neither are the insurance companies. They are looking at the odds, and the odds have changed dramatically. The best estimate of how many have died as a result of the vaccine is 17 million and so I use that number. You believe that Alex Jones harming 26 people is a valid reason for the 1.5 billion judgment against him and yet consider the 17 million deaths as an acceptable level. I would not complain about this vaccine if it was not mandated. Remember, many of these who died were children, they were forced to take it and had no option at all to say no. At least adults had the option to quit their job, sell their house and move.

But they make it impossible for researchers to confirm these deaths were due to the vaccine. So the only way we will ever get a real number on this is from "excess deaths" as a statistical anomaly. This is the same approach that was used in the 1970s to confirm that the 1918 flu was a pandemic. This was how they have come up with an estimate on how many died from that flu.

However, my point is that it is foolish to require someone to prove the vaccine is not safe prior to taking it. There is no way anyone could do that, so it is deceit to ask them to do that.

You also made a claim about 5G and the vaccine being related which is complete lunacy
I posted a video and summarized the key points. The video has since been removed.
 

Dude653

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I have used the actuary tables from the life insurance companies for fortune 500 companies. This does not mean the "numbers" are high. Imagine, how many people actually die while working at a fortune 500 company. The "numbers" are probably very low. But if in one year you go from 0.001% to 0.01% that is a 10 fold increase. I am not looking at the "numbers" and neither are the insurance companies. They are looking at the odds, and the odds have changed dramatically. The best estimate of how many have died as a result of the vaccine is 17 million and so I use that number. You believe that Alex Jones harming 26 people is a valid reason for the 1.5 billion judgment against him and yet consider the 17 million deaths as an acceptable level. I would not complain about this vaccine if it was not mandated. Remember, many of these who died were children, they were forced to take it and had no option at all to say no. At least adults had the option to quit their job, sell their house and move.

But they make it impossible for researchers to confirm these deaths were due to the vaccine. So the only way we will ever get a real number on this is from "excess deaths" as a statistical anomaly. This is the same approach that was used in the 1970s to confirm that the 1918 flu was a pandemic. This was how they have come up with an estimate on how many died from that flu.

However, my point is that it is foolish to require someone to prove the vaccine is not safe prior to taking it. There is no way anyone could do that, so it is deceit to ask them to do that.



I posted a video and summarized the key points. The video has since been removed.
Yeah the video was probably removed because it was fake news.

Even if there were 17 million casualties, approximately 6 billion doses were administered so that's about a .003 percent chance of being harmed by the vaccine
 

Dude653

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Another thing to consider here is that when covid was at its peak, hospitals were having to rent refrigerated trailers to stack all the bodies.
After the vaccine, those casualties greatly reduced
 

ZNP

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Yeah the video was probably removed because it was fake news.
Probably? What exactly are the odds that it was fake news? It wasn't 100% that is for sure, and yet it was 100% certain that it was censored. Why would you censor it? If this is in fact "fake news" the easiest thing to do is debunk it. One requirement of science is that it can be replicated. Simply replicate the experiment and see if you get the same results. Since when has the US moved from practicing science to practicing censorship? How is it that those who censor science accuse others of being anti science?

Even if there were 17 million casualties, approximately 6 billion doses were administered so that's about a .003 percent chance of being harmed by the vaccine
Your math is way off! The 17 million deaths is in the US. 80% of the US has been vaccinated. That is approximately 280 million. So that is 6%, not 0.003%. I don't have the study in front of me but I am absolutely positive they were not basing the deaths on the entire world. I know one study was extrapolating from the results the life insurance companies got from Fortune 500 companies, which was in itself a very large sample.

But your point is that 0.003% people harmed by your product is an acceptable amount. So 26 people harmed by Alex Jones is only 0.0003% of his audience. They didn't die, simply had to move. So why is that not an acceptable amount? You say he lied, but you agree that Fauci lied. The vaccine was mandated, whereas no one is required to listen to Alex Jones.
 

ZNP

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Another thing to consider here is that when covid was at its peak, hospitals were having to rent refrigerated trailers to stack all the bodies.
After the vaccine, those casualties greatly reduced
Yes, that is what happens every single flu season. A lot of people get sick, most get better, and then it is over. It is like a forest fire, after the fire sweeps through it goes out.

The real thing to consider is that in all of human history there has never been a pandemic or epidemic stopped by a vaccine. The reason you have an epidemic is unclean practices or unhealthy practices. The simplest way to put a stop to a viral epidemic is simply take people's temperature outside of the business. If they have symptoms of being sick they stay home. That creates an environment that favors the least virulent strains and those strains will be the best inoculation against the deadlier strains.

Yes, Polio was "eradicated" by a vaccine about 50 years later. But the way we stopped the epidemic was to test the water at swimming holes and put up warning signs if the water was infected.

One thing everyone should consider is that it was the people who actually knew the science that were questioning what was going on. The people screaming "anti science" were the ones who were clueless about the science.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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11:00 Mark
The guy brings up some informative points. One thing he doesn't realize though is that a chemical is already added to drinking water by all American municipalities that accomplishes what he said. They are fluoride compounds resulting from Chinese and American manufacturing as well as chemical industries. These are haz mat wasted that require the most expensive disposal methods in sealed drums. The chemical and aluminum companies sell it to the people who trust their local get to dispose of it in their water. The American Dental Association recommended this and people trust the self promoted medical authorities instead of God. The gt gets the.beneficial effects of the waste hazmat chems on the population by making them apathetic and obedient to the harmful authorities that conquered them.
 

Dude653

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You are a wonder to behold, so ignorant and yet so self assured.
You think literally everything is some evil conspiracy. Come back to reality
 

ZNP

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