Visualization in Prayer
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"covered it" lol
"there are none"
"okay there are exceptions"
lol
yeah OK. well you're not making a very persuasive case. i proved mine with scripture, more than once.
hyperdispensationalism? so far zero points, just your personal avowal, by my count.
I try avoid putting myself into verses where I'm not meant to . This is a habit that Christians do automatically without thinking.
because Romans 1:16, the ((singular)) gospel, first to the Jews, then to all.
if Jesus is not sent to you, you have no salvation. don't try to steal Him from the rest of us; you can't
None that were given that prayer ( gentiles) Pay attention.. Did he tell a gentile to prayer that way ? verse please? Where s the verse where he s teaching Gentiles please ( like we see given to his Jewish diciples ..who in turn are also only teaching Jews . Dont give me " but he healed this ...and he said that..."
that is your entire argument, but it's been destroyed through scripture.
God is our Father. God knows all things, including our needs and desires, before we can even utter them.
why don't you give us what exactly it is in Matthew 6 / Luke 11 you think is *wrong* for a Christian to do, unless He has Jewish flesh?
can you do that? or is there really no specific objection at all, you just want to encourage us not to listen to the words of Jesus as though they are meaningful for us?
previously covered; your arguments are immaterial to the text.
God did not say, "if and only if you are in the flesh as Hebrews, pray like this"
God said "because the Father already knows what you need, pray like this"
this is easy, m8.
- is God your Father?
- does God know all things?
you basically have no argument at all.
I'm well aware of the approach to scripture that looks like ' a saw a boy of 5 do 100 back flips in a row, therefore all 5 year old boys can do 100 back flips in a row .
Famously Calvinists do this. " Lydia's ' heart was opened by God ,therefore all hearts have to be opened by God in this exact way otherwise they cannot hear the gospel. " God determined the crucifixion , therefore God determined the conversation I had at the grocery store yesterday ' . " Jesus said to Peter , therefore Jesus is speaking to us all as we're diciples to, ,' Yes I know it says Israel, but as we are grafted in therfore we can claim all those things said to Israel " , " The bible doesn't say we can't pray to Mary ...therfore..on and on and on ....
yeah i agree with that, to a point. the scripture has a lot to intimate about mankind in general, and that stuff, yeah, it fits.
what we ought to understand is that if we 'find ourselves in the Bible' it's usually the most unflattering person or aspect of the passage.
like here:
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
(Matthew 7:11)
that's us, right there: "ye, being evil"oops you think this is meaningless, sorry.
okay pretend you are carnally of Jewish fleshly descent.
now it means something ((lol?))
//is God your Father?
does God know all things?//
This is not how we approach scripture.
How general do you want to go with this ?
I pay attention to the ' If ye' and work from that first. Who's the ye ? Who's children ? Who's father? In this context? Jews , Jews Israel, Israel. This comes first . Then I might conclude as I read Romans ,yeah were all rotten ect .
irrelevant & mischaracterization.
are you not following this conversation?
and what are you saying, Peter was a Jew and Jesus spoke to him therefore we should ignore everything Jesus says unless our Flesh is Semitic?
you really don't have a case, at all.
i think i'm done with this
yeah and what, you don't think you're evil? only Jews are?
you're evil; we all are. Romans 1-5.
this is why we need Christ.
Your the one ignoring the audience. I say don't ignore any single verse in the bible. In context.
Yes we read that in Romans don't we ,in the book written to ' us ' . ( The body of Christ ) Again we read ALL the bible. But in context.
Without the book of Romans, we might try to suggest it was just those pharisees who were evil or the ones rejecting Jesus .
let me get this straight:
the LORD God Almighty you claim to believe literally says, "since your Father knows already what you need, therefore pray in this way"
and you say, it is wrong to believe He means what He says, that we must assume He's lying?
??
that's some rubbish, friend.
get rid of Romans, you say lol
what other parts of the Bible do i need to delete in order to believe your theology?
Paul quotes like 15 OT books to demonstrate that you are evil.
o i guess those are all Jewish.
do you hyperdispensationalists believe any of the Bible at all?