Virgin or young woman?
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psalm6819
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Yes. And...?
1. Dead Sea Scrolls proved that there were several variations of the OT in circulations, not just one.
2. There is no Bible translation based on Dead Sea Scrolls, they just pick from them what they like. Modern Bible translations are a mix of massoretic texts, septuagint and dead sea scrolls. The mix that was never used in the history of the church...
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The Septuagint - "virgin"
Old Latin Vulgate - "virgin"
Context of the Isaiah - "virgin".
Cultural context - "virgin".
But now, 21 centuries after that somebody comes and tries to say it meant just "young girl".
You wish... And we know which groups try to push this meaning as the primary one.
Old Latin Vulgate - "virgin"
Context of the Isaiah - "virgin".
Cultural context - "virgin".
But now, 21 centuries after that somebody comes and tries to say it meant just "young girl".
You wish... And we know which groups try to push this meaning as the primary one.
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JohnTalmid, no offense, but apparently you haven't read the part of the bible where it clearly states, that Jesus WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN.. 
On your Profile page you say you were saved in July, 1990, but you ALSO state that you are "unsure" about being saved. So, why exactly are you witnessing to ANYONE? Seems to me you need to take care of that "unsure" part of YOUR LIFE before telling others how they should live theirs.
A young woman having a baby... Would that be any sign???? No.. If they say it only means young woman then you can tell them that it would be no sign at all if a young woman had a baby... Thus the lends weight to the argument that the Alma is in reference to a virigin..
Just a note after my nap. Any original manuscripts from Moses and the prophets were lost or guried long ago replaced by the transcriptions of scribes and the like many times over long before the Dead Sea scrolls were written.
I spoke of the original language, others are bringing up original manuscripts, there is a big difference.
I am not even beginning to attempt to be smerter than others or intellectual with what little I have been given to know. Keep in mind I first posted I have been blessed to be able to read the tanakh in the original languages, and I am.
Also keep in mind I did add the only true Authority of learning is learning by the Holy Spirit.
Having studied linguistics at the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, and having lived briefly in Israel, I count myself only truly knowlegeable from having my worthwhile knowledge imparted by the Holy Spirit, and I have no great knowledge.
Continue bringing up things having nothing to do with what I say but I am through with bantering over what is falsely called knowledge, that is things not eternal when dealing with the truth from God. May God bless all in Jesus Christ.
I spoke of the original language, others are bringing up original manuscripts, there is a big difference.
I am not even beginning to attempt to be smerter than others or intellectual with what little I have been given to know. Keep in mind I first posted I have been blessed to be able to read the tanakh in the original languages, and I am.
Also keep in mind I did add the only true Authority of learning is learning by the Holy Spirit.
Having studied linguistics at the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, and having lived briefly in Israel, I count myself only truly knowlegeable from having my worthwhile knowledge imparted by the Holy Spirit, and I have no great knowledge.
Continue bringing up things having nothing to do with what I say but I am through with bantering over what is falsely called knowledge, that is things not eternal when dealing with the truth from God. May God bless all in Jesus Christ.
There was no word in the Hebrew language for virgin. The concept of virginity was conveyed through "young maiden," or "young girl" if you will. This is why the Isaiah 7:14 is correctly translated as "young woman." In Matthew 1:23, the Holy Spirit through Matthew gives us an inspired explanation of the Isaiah text. Greek has a very deliberate word for virgin so the intent of Isaiah is more precisely represented. This is why when Matthew quotes from Isaiah 7:14 he uses the Greek word παρθένος meaning virgin. This is also why Isa 7:14 is translated as 'virgin' in the LXX.
Okay thank you for your question. By most original I mean as close to the original language which would be the Hebrew. Septuagint was translated by 70 elders most likely of the Mesoretic line ironically or at least closer than I used to think, (just a funny thought). I also believe that the Septuagint is the most accurate and Alimah was translated by the 70 correctly; my mistake and thank you JaumeJ for correcting me. I am speaking about the Hebrew not the Aramaic which I have in the Brit Hadesha, (renewed covenant)as well; very interesting but I digress. I'm interested in the first five books to answer your question trofimus in the most literal way.
The source texts I use are just the Hebrew and Hebrew English Tanakh, referring to the first five books only again.
The question posed was are you a Christian if i recall correctly.. you tell me would you classify me as a Christian? I don't know if I want to. Though I don't deny Messiah in front of any power I pray. I try on principle to NOT give advice let alone tell someoneelse how to live life.
So instead of accusing, just ask friend. Shalom
So there's no point in dragging this on to far so I'm going to make my point as best I can. The only reason our renewed covenant translations through the Septuagint was translated into virgin is because they kept the instructions of Torah. You can only come to the conclusion that even if you understand Alimah to be maden, young woman, etc., you must come to the conclusion that virgin is the correct understanding because of obedience of Mary and Joseph. Just think if Joseph where to adhere to the authorities of his day before YHWH had sent a messanger or if he was like the people of the day who would have stoned her to death before seeking Joseph's Fidelity. I think this may be an interesting study to see how before even born Messiah Yahshua was keeping the Instruction of YHWH Elohim.
To whom hears what I am saying. Keeping the Instruction In Love leads us to understand the concept.
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JaimeMartinez26
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its part of prophecy that marry needed to be a virgin dont fall into traps guys.... if you read in context there wont be confusion, if you listen to people maybe you can walk away with doubt or questions... stick to the Word as a whole
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JaimeMartinez26
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if you dont think marry was a virgin... im sure you enjoy listening to people like Joel Olsteen whos soul purpose is to serve our enemy
Okay and yes however can you come to the same conclusion on your own with only the first five books?
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JaimeMartinez26
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why would she need to be hid away without being seen while pregnant why would God tell Joseph to not be worried? why would God say he preserved his Word and this not be true? you dont need a historian to tell you Gods word .... you just need eyes to see... Marry was indeed a virgin and to think otherwise is foolish
You must not have read other posts. Or you are very tired. Please don't use this thread to belittle anyone even if you THINK their wrong. Messiah didn't and neither should we.
Are you referring the first five books of the Old Testament? There is much more to the Bible than the first five books of the Old Testament. I would consider the most important part of the Bible to be the first four books of the New Testament. Here is where Jesus Christ preaches.
To answer your quesiton, no, I'm not aware that the first five books of the Bible tell us about Mary, though I am not a Bible expert. I fail to see any significance in that. If the Bible says Mary was a virgin, she was a virgin.