Vaccine is killing more people than covid

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Inquisitor

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'Blood clots surge like never before…': McCullough's grim warning on Covid vax shakes Senate hearing
You might be on to something here.

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines: Lessons Learned from the Registrational Trials and Global Vaccination Campaign

Since early 2021, excess deaths, cardiac events, strokes, and other SAEs have often been wrongly ascribed to COVID-19 rather than to the COVID-19 mRNA vaccinations. Misattribution of SAEs to COVID-19 often may be due to the amplification of adverse effects when mRNA injections are followed by SARS-CoV-2 subvariant infection. Injuries from the mRNA products overlap with both PACS and severe acute COVID-19 illness, often obscuring the vaccines’ etiologic contributions. Multiple booster injections appear to cause immune dysfunction, thereby paradoxically contributing to heightened susceptibility to COVID-19 infections with successive doses. For the vast majority of adults under the age of 50, the perceived benefits of the mRNA boosters are profoundly outweighed by their potential disabling and life-threatening harms. Potential harms to older adults appear to be excessive as well. Given the well-documented SAEs and unacceptable harm-to-reward ratio, we urge governments to endorse and enforce a global moratorium on these modified mRNA products until all relevant questions pertaining to causality, residual DNA, and aberrant protein production are answered.
 

ZNP

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What does that number, 74%, of deaths refer to?

What percentage of deaths are you referring to; the global population that received the vaccine?

We only had 14 deaths from the Covid vaccine in my country.

Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 19 February 2023, almost 65 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines
have been given in Australia. The TGA has identified 14 reports where the cause of death was linked to vaccination
from 976 reports received and reviewed.

The Covid vaccine was a major success in my country.
I don't know what your country is, but I remember when I was still looking at the worldometer on deaths from Covid the country that had one of the very lowest number of deaths was also the country with virtually no vaccinations. I think it was Ghana.
 

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I don't know what your country is, but I remember when I was still looking at the worldometer on deaths from Covid the country that had one of the very lowest number of deaths was also the country with virtually no vaccinations. I think it was Ghana.
Deaths from the Covid virus.

Peru streaked out ahead early on and they stopped publishing the stats on Peru. I know because I monitored
WorldOMeter every few days during the epidemic.

The US came in second for the most deaths per 100,000 population.

Peru's death per 100,000 was double the US.

(For the twenty countries currently most affected by COVID-19 worldwide, the bars in the chart below show the number of deaths either per 100 confirmed cases (observed case-fatality ratio) or per 100,000 population (this represents a country’s general population, with both confirmed cases and healthy people). Countries at the top of this figure have the most deaths proportionally to their COVID-19 cases or population, not necessarily the most deaths overall. [John Hopkins University])
 

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I don't know what your country is, but I remember when I was still looking at the worldometer on deaths from Covid the country that had one of the very lowest number of deaths was also the country with virtually no vaccinations. I think it was Ghana.
Here is one of the reasons why the US did so badly at combatting Covid-19.

Inadequate tracing, isolating and quarantines. The timeworn methods of combatting an infectious disease—testing people who may be sick, tracing their contacts, and isolating or quarantining those who are positive or exposed—worked for COVID as well. The WHO repeatedly stressed the importance of these measures, and countries that followed this advice closely (such as Vietnam, Thailand, New Zealand and South Korea) succeeded in controlling their outbreaks. In addition to its test problems, the U.S. did not do an adequate job of isolating those who were known or suspected to be infected (or had recently travelled to a high-risk area), tracing their contacts or requiring quarantines for those who were exposed. China imposed extremely strict, city-wide quarantines. Other countries required those who may have been exposed to stay at a government-approved hotel or other facility for a quarantine ranging from a few days to a couple of weeks. Such policies would likely have been harder to implement in the U.S., a nation that prides itself on personal freedoms. But not doing so came at the expense of keeping the virus in check. (John Hopkins University)
 

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Here is one of the reasons why the US did so badly at combatting Covid-19.

Inadequate tracing, isolating and quarantines. The timeworn methods of combatting an infectious disease—testing people who may be sick, tracing their contacts, and isolating or quarantining those who are positive or exposed—worked for COVID as well. The WHO repeatedly stressed the importance of these measures, and countries that followed this advice closely (such as Vietnam, Thailand, New Zealand and South Korea) succeeded in controlling their outbreaks. In addition to its test problems, the U.S. did not do an adequate job of isolating those who were known or suspected to be infected (or had recently travelled to a high-risk area), tracing their contacts or requiring quarantines for those who were exposed. China imposed extremely strict, city-wide quarantines. Other countries required those who may have been exposed to stay at a government-approved hotel or other facility for a quarantine ranging from a few days to a couple of weeks. Such policies would likely have been harder to implement in the U.S., a nation that prides itself on personal freedoms. But not doing so came at the expense of keeping the virus in check. (John Hopkins University)
I think that Taiwan was the proper model on how to respond.

As for the problems in the US I think the errors the US made are very clear and are not a result of testing, tracing, isolating, or quarantining.

Florida and South Dakota were accused of being massive failures in those respects and yet those states had the best results. Meanwhile NY and Gov Cuomo was called the "gold standard" by Fauci for his adherence to Fauci's directions and NY had terrible results.

HCQ is effective against all viral infections if used immediately. It has been proven safe and effective for fifty years prior to Covid19. One pill costs $0.10. Cheap, affordable, effective, proven and readily available. However, Fauci and others mocked and ridiculed this as "bleach". Nor did they encourage people to get outside, get in the sun, and take certain vitamins despite the fact that almost all cases that went to intensive care were vitamin deficient in vitamin D. The virus does not last more than 15 minutes outside in the sun. So all the supposed "super spreader" events held outside actually helped innoculate people by exposing them to dead forms of the virus. Ivermectin has also been shown to be very effective for people who went to the hospital with Covid. Again, instead of encouraging people to use this they mocked and ridiculed it as medicine for horses. Finally the treatment that Fauci did recommend was Remdesvir and ventilators. That treatment turned out to be almost 100% fatal.

In conclusion the single biggest reason for people dying from Covid in the US is that they listened to Fauci and the MSM.
 

Karlon

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i just met a guy who's health is failing because of the covid shot he had. the doctor said it's directly related.
 

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I think that Taiwan was the proper model on how to respond.

As for the problems in the US I think the errors the US made are very clear and are not a result of testing, tracing, isolating, or quarantining.

Florida and South Dakota were accused of being massive failures in those respects and yet those states had the best results. Meanwhile NY and Gov Cuomo was called the "gold standard" by Fauci for his adherence to Fauci's directions and NY had terrible results.

HCQ is effective against all viral infections if used immediately. It has been proven safe and effective for fifty years prior to Covid19. One pill costs $0.10. Cheap, affordable, effective, proven and readily available. However, Fauci and others mocked and ridiculed this as "bleach". Nor did they encourage people to get outside, get in the sun, and take certain vitamins despite the fact that almost all cases that went to intensive care were vitamin deficient in vitamin D. The virus does not last more than 15 minutes outside in the sun. So all the supposed "super spreader" events held outside actually helped innoculate people by exposing them to dead forms of the virus. Ivermectin has also been shown to be very effective for people who went to the hospital with Covid. Again, instead of encouraging people to use this they mocked and ridiculed it as medicine for horses. Finally the treatment that Fauci did recommend was Remdesvir and ventilators. That treatment turned out to be almost 100% fatal.

In conclusion the single biggest reason for people dying from Covid in the US is that they listened to Fauci and the MSM.
100% correct.

keep in mind, they could not have got emergency approval for the vax had their been effective , known treatments for covid.

so, they had to dismiss hcq and ivermectin as non-sense..
 

ZNP

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100% correct.

keep in mind, they could not have got emergency approval for the vax had their been effective , known treatments for covid.

so, they had to dismiss hcq and ivermectin as non-sense..
And that is the key point, it is what we know for certain, the vaccine mandate was illegal.

1. Before you can mandate an experimental vaccine you must have a crisis. They forced the numbers dying from Covid to increase by using Remdesvir, ventilators, putting sick people into nursing homes and categorizing anyone who died with Covid as having died from Covid. The entire basis for the mandate was a lie.

2. You cannot mandate an experimental vaccine if there are effective treatments. Hence they mocked the use of HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin D, etc. Once again, making the mandate illegal because there were effective alternatives.

3. If you mandate an experimental vaccine you must provide people with all the research on the vaccine. They did not do that. Therefore the mandate violated the law.

On all three counts it was illegal. It is not my job to prove that the vaccine is not safe and effective, it is the drug companies job to prove that it is. I don't need to know what the problem with the vaccine is, I simply need to know that they are behaving in a way that is criminal.
 

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100% correct.

keep in mind, they could not have got emergency approval for the vax had their been effective , known treatments for covid.

so, they had to dismiss hcq and ivermectin as non-sense..
Some other information to add to this thread.

The study found that people with any type of COVID-19 infection were twice as likely to have a major cardiac event,
such as heart attack, stroke or even death, for up to three years after diagnosis.
(my.clevelandclinic.org/podcasts/cardiac-consult/long-term-risk-of-heart-attack-stroke-and-death-doubles)

So the takeaway from this is don't get infected and don't take the Rna vaccine.
 

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And that is the key point, it is what we know for certain, the vaccine mandate was illegal.

1. Before you can mandate an experimental vaccine you must have a crisis. They forced the numbers dying from Covid to increase by using Remdesvir, ventilators, putting sick people into nursing homes and categorizing anyone who died with Covid as having died from Covid. The entire basis for the mandate was a lie.

2. You cannot mandate an experimental vaccine if there are effective treatments. Hence they mocked the use of HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin D, etc. Once again, making the mandate illegal because there were effective alternatives.

3. If you mandate an experimental vaccine you must provide people with all the research on the vaccine. They did not do that. Therefore the mandate violated the law.

On all three counts it was illegal. It is not my job to prove that the vaccine is not safe and effective, it is the drug companies job to prove that it is. I don't need to know what the problem with the vaccine is, I simply need to know that they are behaving in a way that is criminal.
In case of the covid vaccine, I disagree with you! In case of Covid you had the the yoice to take the vaccine or do nothing.
 

ZNP

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In case of the covid vaccine, I disagree with you! In case of Covid you had the the yoice to take the vaccine or do nothing.
Either you take the vaccine and keep your job or you don't take the vaccine and lose your job, that was the choice I and many others were given.
 

JohnDB

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In case of the covid vaccine, I disagree with you! In case of Covid you had the the yoice to take the vaccine or do nothing.
Where I agree, the guy you are quoting is a conspiracy theory nutjob....

He is not wrong about SOME people not being given an option about taking a vaccine or losing their jobs and careers. Even the ones who worked remotely.
Military personnel and Government employees were also not given a choice and got tossed if they refused.

And this is a problem. It's a human rights violation.
Where a case can be made for medical staff at hospitals and clinics need to take it....hard to make a case for a remote office worker being forced to take an experimental medical treatment. (But it happened too). Private industry also did this without a legal leg to stand on. But allowed because of the warped justice situation currently found in our court system. Especially since it's not regularly a part of an employment contracts and many people were/are working remotely.

Hobby Lobby faced all kinds of grief over its medical insurance program because they purchased one for their employees that did not cover elective abortions. It did provide wellness care that included birth control.
But the Government fined them and drug them into court for a decade over the issue.

So, today there are literally millions who had to change jobs because they refused to get the Covid Vaccine. But....they did and went back to work. We don't hear a lot about it anymore because industrious individuals would rather work than go through the hassle of a wrongful termination lawsuit.
Especially with activist judges on the benches.

All of this happened because OUR Government, colluding with private enterprise, withheld the WHOLE TRUTH and allow us a basic human right referred to as "Informed Consent".

Informed consent is a major major thing in the Healthcare industry. It's a human rights violation. Giving the wrong drugs to a woman who suspects she is pregnant is a way to lose your medical license and expose a facility to endless lawsuits.

We have pharmacist consultation over everything from baby aspirin to antibiotics these days due to "Informed Consent". And by lying both the Government and private industry removed our opportunity at having Informed consent. This is a major Human Rights violation.....