Vaccination?

[JTB]

So, WHO, is being led astray, when EACH Side [from my Observation] are giving enough Half Truths that their False Propaganda/Agenda/Intent is being BOUGHT by Others?

The lefties are leading the world astray. Those on the right are leading God's people away. IMPO, that makes those on the right more dangerous.

 

[Grandpa]

Well, we in germany have not this political thing about right and left in this way that this is important for the report about Covid.
In germany around 90 % of the Covid patients on the ICU are unvaccined. Thats a fact!
If course you can ignore the virus.
But it is also a fact that vaccine not only protect, but also avoid an heavy infect with Covid in compare with unvaccined people.
But if you want, you can find Tons of material which are in the socialmedias which will claim, that Covid is not more then a flu.
That the vaccine is not perfect, and that people can become covid even they are vaccinated is not to deny.
Its only the 2% who will get serious problems with this deseases.
But this 2% are 140000000 people minimum worldwide.

I could care less about the right and left political aspect of this "vaccination".

I would be just as critical if it were the right pushing it.

 

[JTB]

As far as masks go, there are VERY VERY few that actually work. So close to zero we might as well call it zero.

I keep asking people who say this, "so the next time you go in for surgery you'll tell your surgical team they don't have to wear them?"

But strangely, I never get an answer.

 

[JTB]

I could care less about the right and left political aspect of this "vaccination".

I would be just as critical if it were the right pushing it.

But if you lissen, the right IS pushing it. Trump has said the vax is safe and to get it. The governor of Texas has said the vax is safe and to get it. Many republicans have said the vax is safe get it (they're just against the mandating of it). but that doesn't fit in to people's chronic 'it doesn't confirm my pre-existing belief' and so they don't hear it.

 

[Grandpa]

I keep asking people who say this, "so the next time you go in for surgery you'll tell your surgical team they don't have to wear them?"

But strangely, I never get an answer.

The surgical team wears a mask for their own protection.

From blood and other solids.

If any disease is airborne the masks that the surgical team wear will not protect them.


Look at the suits that the people who handle virus' wear. They are a full haz-mat suit. To think that your little paper or cloth mask will stop a virus is absolutely laughable.

 

[Grandpa]

And again! Not everyone is healthy. And for those people, many are getting the vaccine. My husband did that, although he has no spleen, and is at higher risk for COVID than a totally healthy person. I guess they do exist, but not in my world! My friends have RA, period. That is my ministry.

And as I told this story already, a fellow student, young, healthy in his late 30's and his wife and family got COVID. The wife and children had mild COVID. He ended up in the ICU, almost dying if it was not for God. How do you know who is going to turn out to be healthy, and get a mild case? Well, you don't! That is why everyone needs the vax. For themselves, but also for the millions of people who are immune compromised, including my friends & me!

People get heart attacks and strokes and die from the "vaccine".

Not everyone needs or should even get the vaccine.


You have a better chance of dying in a car crash. How do you know who is going to survive those and get a mild case?


In order to "love our neighbor" should everyone stop driving??? Or should only the fearful and ones who think they are comprimised???

 

[JTB]

The surgical team wears a mask for their own protection.

From blood and other solids.

If any disease is airborne the masks that the surgical team wear will not protect them.


Look at the suits that the people who handle virus' wear. They are a full haz-mat suit. To think that your little paper or cloth mask will stop a virus is absolutely laughable.

Another present human fallacy - believing it's 'all or nothing'.

No the mask will not stop all viral particles. But it is proven to stop some.

Dr Ghandi (look her up under Z Dogg MD) noted that covid has a very high rate of asymptomatic infections, like 45% to the flu's 5%. She posited that the mask, since it does stop some, leads to the spread of lower amounts of viral particles, and that the severity of infection depends on part to your exposure level.

But no, people want a 100% guarantee or nothing.

I get it. AAAAL of this is yes a stepping stone. Diving an already divided populace. Conditioning people to accept government mandates. Getting people to trust in unproven technologies.

But ... The mask and the vax are all we have as a society to mitigate what is to many a dangerous disease. And like my avatar says, if it saves just one I will do it.

I wonder if Jesus would have gone to the cross if He knew giving up His freedom would only save one life.

Like I said elsewhere, satan is diabolical. Leading people away from the truth by using the truth.

 

[JTB]

You have a better chance of dying in a car crash. How do you know who is going to survive those

I'd bet the ones who wear seat belts have a better chance

 

[Grandpa]

Another present human fallacy - believing it's 'all or nothing'.

No the mask will not stop all viral particles. But it is proven to stop some.

Dr Ghandi (look her up under Z Dogg MD) noted that covid has a very high rate of asymptomatic infections, like 45% to the flu's 5%. She posited that the mask, since it does stop some, leads to the spread of lower amounts of viral particles, and that the severity of infection depends on part to your exposure level.

But no, people want a 100% guarantee or nothing.

I get it. AAAAL of this is yes a stepping stone. Diving an already divided populace. Conditioning people to accept government mandates. Getting people to trust in unproven technologies.

But ... The mask and the vax are all we have as a society to mitigate what is to many a dangerous disease. And like my avatar says, if it saves just one I will do it.

I wonder if Jesus would have gone to the cross if He knew giving up His freedom would only save one life.

Like I said elsewhere, satan is diabolical. Leading people away from the truth by using the truth.

That is basically the issue right there.

Science, so called, has become your god. You believe that because someone has done a study and has come up with some explanation on why the elitists are correct in demanding everyone wear the symbol of their faith, then EVERYONE should wear that symbol whether they believe it will do anything or not.


I don't believed these stupid paper and cloth masks do ANYTHING at all to stop ANYTHING. If they actually do protect people then the ones who BELIEVE masks protect them shouldn't worry about what anyone else does.

And if their masks aren't protecting them then why are they still wearing them??? And demanding everyone else does???

Because it is a symbol of their faith. It is a pacifier for their fear.


It is not the symbol of my faith. I don't need a pacifier because I am not scared. I will not worship your god. I will not wear the symbol of your faith. I will wear the symbol of my faith.

 

[DavidTree]

You right, people do die everyday. They die in auto accidents, they die of cancer, they die of heart attacks and strokes. They get murdered by evil people

but healthy 40 year olds don’t die everyday from a virus that sends them to the icu on a respirator until their heart fails

Healthy children don't need poison injected into - shame on you = repent.

 

[Nehemiah6]

...are they in this case the German doctors just looking for anti bodies,in the system,,,how do you know they are false positives?

When you check out the German requirements for tests they accept either PCR or antibody tests. But the PCR test is the one being generally used throughout the world.

The problem with the RT-PCR test is that the reliability of the results depends upon the setting of the Cycle Threshold (CT) value. It has been conclusively proven that any values over 25 will produce false positives. However in order to increase the fear-mongering and panic, the CT values were set around 35-40 so these would will losts and lots of so-called "cases". But according to Swiss Policy Research:

"A PCR test is amplifying samples through repetitive cycles. The lower the virus concentration in the sample, the more cycles are needed to achieve a positive result. Many US labs work with 35 to 45 cycles, while many European labs work with 30 to 40 cycles.

The research group of French professor Didier Raoult has recently shown that at a cycle threshold (ct) of 25, about 70% of samples remained positive in cell culture (i.e. were infectious); at a ct of 30, 20% of samples remained positive; at a ct of 35, 3% of samples remained positive; and at a ct above 35, no sample remained positive (infectious) in cell culture (see diagram)."
https://swprs.org/the-trouble-with-pcr-tests/

Which means that 90-99% of the results turned out to be false positives. So when the vaccines failed and vaccinated people began to test positive, the medical establishment had to protect itself. So WHO sent out a circular recently telling the health agencies to reduce the CT value so that less people would test positive. And FDA has banned the use of the PCR test effective December 2021!

It should be obvious that there has been MAJOR MEDICAL FRAUD from day one. Nothing being reported should be trusted, and even the VAERS and Eudravigilance data is being manipulated.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The surgical team wears a mask for their own protection.

From blood and other solids.

If any disease is airborne the masks that the surgical team wear will not protect them.


Look at the suits that the people who handle virus' wear. They are a full haz-mat suit. To think that your little paper or cloth mask will stop a virus is absolutely laughable.

this is not true

They not only wear masks, bt they wear steril gloves and gowns. So they do not introduce anything to the patient which could cause infection.

I used to work as an orthopedic technician in the navy. I assisted in a few operating room procedures. The masks were not to protect us. Not sure who told you that brother

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Healthy children don't need poison injected into - shame on you = repent.

That healthy child died

YOU REPENT!

 

[Nehemiah6]

I used to work as an orthopedic technician in the navy. I assisted in a few operating room procedures. The masks were not to protect us. Not sure who told you that brother

In hospitals, the masks are supposedly to protect both medical personnel and patients. But the fact of the matter is that the masks which are being currently used for the COVID Scamdemic protect no one. These masks cannot stop viruses, which are too small to be stopped by the ordinary masks. A nanometer is ONE-BILLIONTH of a meter, and viruses are about 100 nanometers in length. Much, much smaller than human cells.

Mask-wearing is a total farce. But it does help to keep the sheeple in line. This is PYSCHOLOGICAL WARFARE through masks, social distancing, lockdowns, etc. None of which had any impact on infections.

And now that the vaccinated elite are being hospitalized, the psychological warfare has shifted once again. Blame the unvaccinated instead of the bogus vaccines, even though 99% of them are not infectious. The game plan was to jab everyone and see the fallout. But many doctors, nurses, etc. saw through this fraud and refused the jab. So now they have been fired.

 

[JTB]

That is basically the issue right there.

Science, so called, has become your god. You believe that because someone has done a study and has come up with some explanation on why the elitists are correct in demanding everyone wear the symbol of their faith, then EVERYONE should wear that symbol whether they believe it will do anything or not.


I don't believed these stupid paper and cloth masks do ANYTHING at all to stop ANYTHING. If they actually do protect people then the ones who BELIEVE masks protect them shouldn't worry about what anyone else does.

And if their masks aren't protecting them then why are they still wearing them??? And demanding everyone else does???

Because it is a symbol of their faith. It is a pacifier for their fear.


It is not the symbol of my faith. I don't need a pacifier because I am not scared. I will not worship your god. I will not wear the symbol of your faith. I will wear the symbol of my faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In hospitals, the masks are supposedly to protect both medical personnel and patients. But the fact of the matter is that the masks which are being currently used for the COVID Scamdemic protect no one. These masks cannot stop viruses, which are too small to be stopped by the ordinary masks. A nanometer is ONE-BILLIONTH of a meter, and viruses are about 100 nanometers in length. Much, much smaller than human cells.

Mask-wearing is a total farce. But it does help to keep the sheeple in line. This is PYSCHOLOGICAL WARFARE through masks, social distancing, lockdowns, etc. None of which had any impact on infections.

And now that the vaccinated elite are being hospitalized, the psychological warfare has shifted once again. Blame the unvaccinated instead of the bogus vaccines, even though 99% of them are not infectious. The game plan was to jab everyone and see the fallout. But many doctors, nurses, etc. saw through this fraud and refused the jab. So now they have been fired.

the reason I have to wear a mask now is because the unvaccinated complained it was not fair.

Sorry bro. Your conspiracy theories and blame shifting here is falling on deaf ears.

 

[DavidTree]

That healthy child died

YOU REPENT!

And more healthy children are maimed and have died from the vaxx = be a witness for Christ - not the antichrist.

The vaxx will save no one, because it is not a true vaccine and never was intended to be so.

you will greatly regret when you stand before the LORD

you are siding with the Beast System and have aligned your self with it's propaganda

you cherish this life above the Truth and the witness of the Holy Spirit

 

[rayzor]

When you check out the German requirements for tests they accept either PCR or antibody tests. But the PCR test is the one being generally used throughout the world.

The problem with the RT-PCR test is that the reliability of the results depends upon the setting of the Cycle Threshold (CT) value. It has been conclusively proven that any values over 25 will produce false positives. However in order to increase the fear-mongering and panic, the CT values were set around 35-40 so these would will losts and lots of so-called "cases". But according to Swiss Policy Research:

"A PCR test is amplifying samples through repetitive cycles. The lower the virus concentration in the sample, the more cycles are needed to achieve a positive result. Many US labs work with 35 to 45 cycles, while many European labs work with 30 to 40 cycles.

The research group of French professor Didier Raoult has recently shown that at a cycle threshold (ct) of 25, about 70% of samples remained positive in cell culture (i.e. were infectious); at a ct of 30, 20% of samples remained positive; at a ct of 35, 3% of samples remained positive; and at a ct above 35, no sample remained positive (infectious) in cell culture (see diagram)."
https://swprs.org/the-trouble-with-pcr-tests/

Which means that 90-99% of the results turned out to be false positives. So when the vaccines failed and vaccinated people began to test positive, the medical establishment had to protect itself. So WHO sent out a circular recently telling the health agencies to reduce the CT value so that less people would test positive. And FDA has banned the use of the PCR test effective December 2021!

It should be obvious that there has been MAJOR MEDICAL FRAUD from day one. Nothing being reported should be trusted, and even the VAERS and Eudravigilance data is being manipulated.

If any of the virus is found then you would have to assume that the person is at least a carrier of the corona.YOU said, ah wrote The lower the virus concentration in the sample,,,,,that would be insane,The count must be zero or they are positive.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And more healthy children are maimed and have died from the vaxx = be a witness for Christ - not the antichrist.

The vaxx will save no one, because it is not a true vaccine and never was intended to be so.

you will greatly regret when you stand before the LORD

you are siding with the Beast System and have aligned your self with it's propaganda

you cherish this life above the Truth and the witness of the Holy Spirit

Dude I am going to have to place you on ignore
you have no respect for people. A man died and all you want to us spread your lie about the vaccine

You can lie and be deceived all you want the vaccine helped Me and my wife and many other people.
have people died from it? Most likely as with all medicines or treatments you take a risk. But for you to sit there and lie. While another person has died from this so called fake disease. Good day sir. For my sanity I am going to place you in my prayer bin and pray personally for you

 

[Aidan1]

in germany, a country of over 72 million people, their are currently about 169,000 active cases of covid being reported.

so, a 98% chance of not coming into contact with a covid positive person.

i would take those odds over a unproven vax anytime.
in america, i did.

No problem, but this is not the point. I dont look alone on germany. 2% are 2%! behind these numbers are worldwide over 140000000 people