Brother the rapture is a subject you and I have discussed and have no agreement on which isn’t an issue for me
….Deliverance of Israel the nation ? Are they going to repent and accept the gospel ?
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….Deliverance of Israel the nation ? Are they going to repent and accept the gospel ?
There you go.Changing chapters and topics.
We are talking about the two witnesses who occupy Jerusalem during the time of the beast in chapter 11.
You saw that you was wrong so now your wanting to change the topic.
No more beast after Christ raises the dead Doug.You can flip flop back and forth but you can't escape the truth.
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
So now your saying Satan is cast down into Christs kingdom .You believe Satan is going to take over Christs kingdom?
Revelation. 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Yes, after their big mistake thinking the the Antichrist was their long-awaited messiah, Israel the nation will turn to Jesus and the gospel of Salvation in Revelation 12:10.
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Revelation 12 does not say anything about a third woe.
It only says woe.Not one ,two or three.Just woe and that is all.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The children of Israel already have what they want.A beast like the gentiles have.
No, I am not. I am saying that Satan will be cast down to earth during the 42 months of the beast's rule.
The third woe is Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
According to the text of Revelation 12, is that after or before the 1260 days ?
Rev 11:
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
v.13 says all these things happened in the same hour.
v.12 sounds like the rapture, but this sounding is for the two witnesses to "come up hither."
Rapture of the Church occurred before the first seal judgement. Trumpet soundings seem to be associated with "come up hithers".
do you think “three and a half years “or “one hour “ are literal measures of time or possibly are they synbilic like the rest of the revelation ?
“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”
Revelation 17:12 KJV
literally an hour ? Or symbolic of a short period of time ?
Literally a thousand years ? Or along period of time ?
“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
2 Peter 3:8 KJV
Revelation 12 :10 says all that ?
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
Revelation 12:10 KJV
can I ask how your reaching that conclusion ? From that verse ?
That it is the third woe is because in Revelation 11:14, the seventh angel sounding announces the third woe.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The rejoicing in heaven is because the end of Satan and his angels kingdom begins when the seventh angel sounds.
The woman flees into the wilderness for 1260 days while the two witnesses occupy Jerusalem for 1260 days.
I've already told you,the saints in Israel are killed during the time of the two witnesses. To hose saints who die during that time are raised from the dead the same day the two witnesses are raised from the dead.Then the saints who did not worship the beast or it's image nor received its mark are rewarded then.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
I hope you understand the beast that came up out of the sea and reigns for another 42 months after the two horns arrive in Israel is not the same beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.
The bottomless pit is not the sea and the beasts are not the same.
I think the time, times, half time is literal, nominally three and half years. I don't use the term three and half years because that term is not found in the bible.
There is symbolic language in Revelation, but the time frames are not one of them,
Yes she’s actually seen riding the beast in revelation 27 after changing her garments from what God dressed her in in revelation 12
False.Dont rewrite the entire book of revelation Doug.Satan does not begin anything when Christ comes and recieved his kingdom.Satan is bound when Christ comes and reigns.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
There's nothing about Satan reigning anywhere in this verse .This says the kingdom becomes Christs and he reigns.
So those ten kings are going to literally rule for one hour with the beast and destroy the prostitute and wage war against the lamb all in an hour ?
So this is a literal hour
“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
Revelation 17:12-17 KJV
thatbis all going to happen in one literal
Hour ?
The 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 is before the time, times, half time of the third woe.
1260 days
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the time, times, half time
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ending with Jesus's return
I will agree with the one hour that that the ten kings rule with the beast is symbolic, to represent 42 months..
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Jesus returned and raised the dead and reigns in revelation 11.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The beast does not reign over Christs kingdom.after the last Trump
The beast is destroyed at Christs coming which is at the seventh Trump.
Jesus returned and raised the dead and reigns in revelation 11.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The beast does not reign over Christs kingdom.after the last Trump
The beast is destroyed at Christs coming which is at the seventh Trump.
Not from that verse alone. First, it has to be understood that the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
Salvation by believing in Christ has been mostly by the gentiles over the course of the past 2000 years.
Since Revelation 12 is about what Israel goes through, for the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9, the embracing of the gospel of Salvation by believing in Jesus in verse 12 is about Israel, the Jews, finally turning to Jesus, in the middle part of the 7 years.