Unlawful orders

[SonJudgment]

Not the case most times when Cartels are involved in stead they kidnap people and force them to run their drugs or murder members of their families if they don't. The reason why is unwilling runners are better than risking having moles joining in their inner group who may be under cover law enforcement. That's the MO the Cartels used from most South and central nations and is why the Marinas in Mexico wear mask and don't wear name tags or any documents that reveal their families identity. If they do then the Cartels will go on line find their parents,children,grand-parents and present their addresses,schools their children go to ect. and tell them either they do what they tell them or loose everyone in their families. The same thing that took place in South and Central American nations is now shifting over into the US and is why we now see ICE/BP ect. agents concealing their identities by wearing mask and not wearing name tags.

Latin America relations is a challenge for USA because if we try to help them we get blamed as imperialists, and if we don't help them they becomes either dictatorships or chaos zones of factions that then hate us and blame us for not like intervening.

 

[Squigglylines]

Yup, and all the Presidents have been massively using all those powers too, every single one of them, so it's not like really unusual for Trump to make such moves. In fact Trump has acted with more restraint than the previous Presidents, even including his ownself if we imagine Trump 1st term as a separate person. Indeed the risk is of course using it to crackdown on political opponents that are American citizens like you detail here, but so far only Biden's administration ever did this and abused these powers to persecute the Anerican citizens.

Political parties i.e. Democrat/Republican cannot be declared terrorist organizations under the first amendment and bare in mind that this was not passed into law by only one majority vote it was passed into law by both political parties. Then afterward portions of it was to expire it was either altered or extended by both parties. Anyway I done see this Lefty Righty alakazity like everyone else seems to see it.

 

[SonJudgment]

Political parties i.e. Democrat/Republican cannot be declared terrorist organizations under the first amendment and bare in mind that this was not passed into law by only one majority vote it was passed into law by both political parties. Then afterward portions of it was to expire it was either altered or extended by both parties. Anyway I done see this Lefty Righty alakazity like everyone else seems to see it.

Right but they still play many games where essentially they do target eachother, personally, I theorize that is why there's such a hyper-partisan divide. You can't neccessarily forgive so easily if the democrats are always basically just out to get you and subvert no matter how much you try to get along with them. If you're democrat you can't indulge Trump even if some of his positions are actually pretty liberal ideologically speaking and even beneficial for you, if you think he's basically Hitler.

 

[Squigglylines]

Latin America relations is a challenge for USA because if we try to help them we get blamed as imperialists, and if we don't help them they becomes either dictatorships or chaos zones of factions that then hate us and blame us for not like intervening.

Yep in Mexico for instance if your a politician, law enforcement ect. you either need to hide all your family members or else they will hand you your file containing the time your parents drive to Church and leave and what time your children get out of school. Which translates to you now work for me and I will tell you everything I want you to do. The US is just next on the list.

 

[Squigglylines]

Right but they still play many games where essentially they do target eachother, personally, I theorize that is why there's such a hyper-partisan divide. You can't neccessarily forgive so easily if the democrats are always basically just out to get you and subvert no matter how much you try to get along with them. If you're democrat you can't indulge Trump even if some of his positions are actually pretty liberal ideologically speaking and even beneficial for you, if you think he's basically Hitler.

I was a Behavioral Scientist. I'm retired now so I come to this forum every once in a while just to look at everyone's mind set. My father was a member before he died is why I first came. I spend most of my time in a private chat group I was invited into several years ago so if I don't respond here on a daily basis it's because my attention is elsewhere. The Left Right paradigm was created by the same people as a tool. Right derangement syndrome and Left derangement syndrome are created tools within the tools program to incite the debate between the Left and Right and lead both to understand why they are passing the laws they do,(Left/Right demanding them). They(BB/shadow Gov.) decided years ago the laws they were going to pass and via the chat rooms, media ect. lead US into believing we are winning when in fact they molded the idea that we were who made the choice in the first place. The news media is showing you what their intention is if you only consider the facts and ignore the other garbage. The whole idea of "fake news" and causing the public to loose trust in one news media verses another is created to so at any time something is in the media either side can say it was fabricated (fake news) made up by the other. Anyone on the political Left or the political Right will never believe anything said by the other and will consider any and all presented facts as fabricated, misleading fake news by the other.

 

[ResidentAlien]

You can fire them but you can't silence them.

 

[JesusLives]

supreme Court basically turned presidents into Kings by making them immune to criminal prosecution.

kind of makes one Wonder why the supreme Court would remove their own teeth like that.

When the patient gets to choose all the dentists then the patient feels like he gets to tell the dentist which teeth to pull.

trump stacked the supreme court and they did what he wanted. Not too hard to understand. Just hard to stomach.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

𝑪𝒂𝒏 𝒕𝒓𝒖𝒎𝒑 𝒃𝒆 𝒑𝒓𝒐𝒔𝒆𝒄𝒖𝒕𝒆𝒅 𝒂𝒇𝒕𝒆𝒓 𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒎?

 

[Squigglylines]

All that legal mumbo jumgo and never once does it mention the raspberry Charms, or the yellow Charms not counting because boats don't have tires. When will they ever learn how to communicate?

 

[ResidentAlien]

You have to see it to believe it. From 2016. In his mind a leader is someone who says jump and everyone else says how high. Maybe authoritarian dictators, but not a leader.

 

[SonJudgment]

So hold on a second, are you guys on the side of the terrorists and the satanic dictator Maduro?

 

[Eli1]

Yep in Mexico for instance if your a politician, law enforcement ect. you either need to hide all your family members or else they will hand you your file containing the time your parents drive to Church and leave and what time your children get out of school. Which translates to you now work for me and I will tell you everything I want you to do. The US is just next on the list.

Hey buddy, i'm going to have to flag you here for the incorrect spelling of the word "you are". It should be spelled "you're".
I'm doing this because you also like to flag people for the incorrect usage of the word "America".

Take care.

 

[ResidentAlien]

In this video, the Donald says if he gives an order, the military won't refuse it even if it's unlawful. "If I say do it they're gonna do it because that's what leadership is all about."

 

[SonJudgment]

In this video, the Donald says if he gives an order, the military won't refuse it even if it's unlawful. "If I say do it they're gonna do it because that's what leadership is all about."

It's literally from the 2016 campaign, and that is literally not what he even said. Hate to break the news to you, but you're not going to stop Trump from winning the 2016 election nor are you going to save ISIS and Al-Baghdadi whom they are referring to, from getting bombed into Hell straight up. Essentially you're tryng to litigate the past to spite Trump nowadays, but the problem is actually you kind of make his case for him. If we compare the fight against the satanic dicttor Maduro and his allies to indeed ISIS and al-Baghdadi the satanic wizard, well it's the same principle, his actions make him a valid target, he is already designated as an official target, so yea killing him and everyone in the way to him is fully legal and fully ethical and will be carried out, and furthermore, like as with Baghdadi's death, everyone will be better off after the elimination has occured.

 

[SonJudgment]

Hey buddy, i'm going to have to flag you here for the incorrect spelling of the word "you are". It should be spelled "you're".
I'm doing this because you also like to flag people for the incorrect usage of the word "America".

Take care.

Aw actually Squig has some good points even if we have radically different conclusions, and is a good-faith-argument I believe, have a little mercy for a mistaken your/you're lol. Let he who is without typos cast the first apostrophe.

 

[Eli1]

Aw actually Squig has some good points even if we have radically different conclusions, and is a good-faith-argument I believe, have a little mercy for a mistaken your/you're lol.

Hey man, i'm just being fair.
He has mentioned a couple of times that saying "America" does not mean USA technically.
So, i'm just returning him the favor. Don't be afraid to return favors too.

 

[SonJudgment]

Hey man, i'm just being fair.
He has mentioned a couple of times that saying "America" does not mean USA technically.
So, i'm just returning him the favor. Don't be afraid to return favors too.

Lol well you're citing from his and mine back and forth, just adding for context actually I enjoyed it. Squig is smart, I like discourse and debate with Squig, he has good perspective, more like a foil than a foe in my opinion, which is actually useful for strengthening our own arguments and outlooks and refining them, praise Jesus.

 

[Eli1]

Lol well you're citing from his and mine back and forth, just adding for context actually I enjoyed it. Squig is smart, I like discourse and debate with Squig, he has good perspective, more like a foil than a foe in my opinionm which is actually useful for stregnthening our own arguments and outlooks and refining them, praise Jesus.

Agree. I like him too. I liked his father as well.
But to make the coffee debate fair you gotta pay dues when they're due.
Today he was due for a correction.

 

[Squigglylines]

Hey buddy, i'm going to have to flag you here for the incorrect spelling of the word "you are". It should be spelled "you're".
I'm doing this because you also like to flag people for the incorrect usage of the word "America".

Take care.

Yep I'm from the old days when the dollar bills and stuff said United States of America on them way back before the cancel culture stuff took hold. First it was the 12 English colonies, then the 13 English colonies, Then the United Colonies, then congress in Sept. 9th 1776 decided it was no longer United Colonies but was United States of America. On July 19 1776 a congressional resolution decided "these United Colonies are, and of Right ought be FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES. Then it changed in 1777, then again in 1781 and then in 1789 it was formally named the United States of America. The issue came up because the first nation called America in the Americas was Brazil(or Brasil). Then the pesky Canadian's were saying they were North Americans and everyone else on the American continent thought they were Americans too. It should be simple like Africa or Europe where there's no such thing like names of nation's and everyone calls them all Africans and Europeans and none of them argue that their nations name is Africa or Europe and so nobody else can use it. Things aren't that simple in a nation founded on immigration though because they name places New York in reference to old York. This was even one of the campaign promises Trump ran on too, teaching everyone to be patriotic and loving the "United States of America" like they use to but he's sure got an uphill battle on that one it seems.

 

[Squigglylines]

So hold on a second, are you guys on the side of the terrorists and the satanic dictator Maduro?

Not at all. If there is an open ended declaration of war in the war on terrorism(which there is), and they are officially declared terrorist(which they are) that means that they fall under the articles of war and all of the laws and limits of those laws apply. I like the way Admiral Holsey put it where he explained that we cannot expect our own solders to be treated in accordance to the laws and regulations of war if we do not set that example ourselves. The decision by Trump was to declare them as terrorist because it falls under that congressionally approved declaration of war. That means he has to follow those rules or face war crimes if not.