Unlawful orders

[ResidentAlien]

Here's the PSA that the six senators published about not obeying unlawful orders; I just wanted to make a couple comments about it. It seems to have maga in an uproar, but for no good reason in my opinion. First there's the "show us the unlawful orders" argument. That's irrelevant and a distraction because the PSA didn't tell anyone to disobey any specific order. But if a specific order is needed, one look no further than the unlawful deployment of the military against Americans on US soil. That's clearly unconstitutional and illegal. The federal courts have already ruled that the Donald has to cut it out. Then there's the argument that the PSA encourages troops to disobey orders. That's simply a lie as anyone can plainly see from the PSA. It says no one is under any obligation to obey unlawful orders.

 

[Dude653]

supreme Court basically turned presidents into Kings by making them immune to criminal prosecution.

kind of makes one Wonder why the supreme Court would remove their own teeth like that.

 

[SonJudgment]

Send these traitors to Terre Haute where they belong. Additionally censure them and let the Far Left and the Far Right put both populist hands upon their treacherous necks and throw them down from power. May the stroongest possible sentence and example be made out of the corrupt and wicked Deep State democrat ringleaders of this seditious conspiracy against the People of the USA. Glory to the heroes that execute the order and protect the Rightful Sons, praise Jesus.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...elim-title18-section2387&num=0&edition=prelim

§2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally
(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:

(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or

(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States-


Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "military or naval forces of the United States" includes the Army of the United States, the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Navy Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.

 

[Dude653]

Send these traitors to Terre Haute where they belong. Additionally censure them and let the Far Left and the Far Right put both populist hands upon their treacherous necks and throw them down from power. May the stroongest possible sentence and example be made out of the corrupt and wicked Deep State democrat ringleaders of this seditious conspiracy against the People of the USA. Glory to the heroes who protect the Rightful Sons, praise Jesus.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...elim-title18-section2387&num=0&edition=prelim

§2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally
(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:

(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or

(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States-


Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "military or naval forces of the United States" includes the Army of the United States, the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Navy Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.

depends on the nature of the order if it is lawful or constitutional.
if I'm in the military and someone tells me to start shooting civilians, I'm not doing it. you're just going to have to put me in jail

 

[ResidentAlien]

depends on the nature of the order if it is lawful or constitutional.
if I'm in the military and someone tells me to start shooting civilians, I'm not doing it. you're just going to have to put me in jail

They won't put you in jail, but they'll put you in jail if you know it's an unlawful order and you do it anyway.

 

[SonJudgment]

depends on the nature of the order if it is lawful or constitutional.
if I'm in the military and someone tells me to start shooting civilians, I'm not doing it. you're just going to have to put me in jail

See section 1 of the code, and this isn't even for seditious conspiracy, this is the lesser charge to show these satanic maggots a mercy they do not deserve by going to Terre Haute and listening to my playlist. As Trump has already made waves in the news and other topics and pointed out the seditious conspiracy charge is reasonable too and weightier, it carries the penalty of death, Trump is not exaggerating. Death is what they deserve for attempting this sedition against really the People, me and you, moreso than Trump. Imagine Trump has a heart attack and taps out tonight, they're still in the hot seat for this and an example must be made out of them. I get your urge to defend the democrats, but nah man, it's not wise nor even neccessary, the Far Left doesn't like these maggots either, and they and their young driving vision for the leftwing will be sufficient to rebuild your party. Sending them to Terre Haute to listen to the playlist is by comparison pretty dang merciful and also keeps them accountable and sets the example. No need for an institutional crises, nor a palace coup by the disgraced old guard, just throw them to Terre Haute where they can learn about how it's a small world after all for 10 years.

 

[Dude653]

See section 1 of the code, and this isn't even for seditious conspiracy, this is the lesser charge to show these satanic maggots a mercy they do not deserve by going to Terre Haute and listening to my playlist. As Trump has already made waves in the news and other topics and pointed out the seditious conspiracy charge is reasonable too and weightier, it carries the penalty of death, Trump is not exaggerating. Death is what they deserve for attempting this sedition against really the People, me and you, moreso than Trump. Imagine Trump has a heart attack and taps out tonight, they're still in the hot seat for this and an example must be made out of them. I get your urge to defend the democrats, but nah man, it's not wise nor even neccessary, the Far Left doesn't like these maggots either, and they and their young driving vision for the leftwing will be sufficient to rebuild your party. Sending them to Terre Haute to listen to the playlist is by comparison pretty dang merciful and also keeps them accountable and sets the example. No need for an institutional crises, nor a palace coup by the disgraced old guard, just throw them to Terre Haute where they can learn about how it's a small world after all for 10 years.

not obeying an unlawful or unconstitutional order does not constitute sedition.

you know what does constitution, raiding the White House and trying to violently stop the certification

 

[SonJudgment]

not obeying an unlawful or unconstitutional order does not constitute sedition.

you know what does constitution, raiding the White House and trying to violently stop the certification

Priming and suggesting to the military to disobey the President is a seditious conspiracy. They even did this game in the first term man and even did it during Biden when they were given the chance to rule despite their uh creative rigging of the election to their favor let's call it. We're not gonna tolerate it. Even besides all those principles because they even identified themselves as CIA high officers, like that's a big problem with internal hidden codes from the public, that's a big problem that then calls the intelligence community as well as the military into question. Really if I try to like give you guys the most mercy and benefit of the doubt the best I can do is defer to Tulsi Gabbard then as DNI, and uniquely ideologically a liberal still but politically a democrat turned republican and contemporary peer of this treacherous cell of subversive agents. You guys just focus too much on Trump I personally think, but objectively it's really Gabbard's opinion is really the critical one here in terms of dealing with this conspiracy against the American People. She's the one you have to convince more than me or Trump or anyone else really, I can't find her making any comments so far on this, but that'll be something to look for.

 

[Dude653]

Priming and suggesting to the military to disobey the President is a seditious conspiracy. They even did this game in the first term man and even did it during Biden when they were given the chance to rule despite their uh creative rigging of the election to their favor let's call it. We're not gonna tolerate it. Even besides all those principles because they even identified themselves as CIA high officers, like that's a big problem with internal hidden codes from the public, that's a big problem that then calls the intelligence community as well as the military into question. Really if I try to like give you guys the most mercy and benefit of the doubt the best I can do is defer to Tulsi Gabbard then as DNI, and uniquely ideologically a liberal still but politically a democrat turned republican and contemporary of tis treachoerous cell of subversive agents. You guys just focus too much on Trump I personally think, but objectively it's really Gabbard's opinion is really the critical one here in terms of dealing with this conspiracy against the American People. She's the one you have to convince more than me or Trump or anyone else really, I can't find her making any comments so far on this, but that'll be something to look for.

it's literally not because thus far they have not disobeyed any specific order it's just a general advisory that you don't have to obey unlawful or unconstitutional orders.

 

[SonJudgment]

it's literally not because thus far they have not disobeyed any specific order it's just a general advisory that you don't have to obey unlawful or unconstitutional orders.

That's literally priming them and forming a conspiracy, and the fact they identified themselves as CIA officers means they also have real abilitym culpabilitity, understanding of techniques, and other such things to rationally attempt such a coup. I personally interpret their move as kinda desperate, they realize they have both lost control as well as will have a shameful legacy for perpetuity, but I do kinda pity how pathetic they are and my rreign shall be a good reign, hence not just throwing them on the rope as servant Trump wants, but rather to Terre Haute. I concede and will defer my judgment (or lack thereof) though to servant Tulsi Gabbard's opinion as more intriguing than mine, her judgment will be better than mine, and even Trump's. Gabbard is also interesting too then as she is a contemporary peer of them as well as kinda like the stone that the builders rejected and whom they hated whom now decides their fate, praise Jesus.

 

[Dude653]

That's literally priming them and forming a conspiracy, and the fact they identified themselves as CIA officers means they also have real abilitym culpabilitity, understanding of techniques, and other such things to rationally attempt such a coup. I personally interpret their move as kinda desperate, they realize they have both lost control as well as will have a shameful legacy for perpetuity, but I do kinda pity how pathetic they are and my rreign shall be a good reign, hence not just throwing them on the rope as servant Trump wants, but rather to Terre Haute. I concede and will defer my judgment (or lack thereof) though to servant Tulsi Gabbard's opinion as more intriguing than mine, her judgment will be better than mine, and even Trump's. Gabbard is also interesting too then as she is a contemporary peer of them as well as kinda like the stone that the builders rejected and whom they hated whom now decides their fate, praise Jesus.

.... hypothetical scenario. I'm in the military and the great orange one gives me an unlawful order.
I obey the order...... after everything is said and done, I'm in prison and he's enjoying a retirement because supreme Court made him immune to prosecution

 

[SonJudgment]

.... hypothetical scenario. I'm in the military and the great orange one gives me an unlawful order.
I obey the order...... after everything is said and done, I'm in prison and he's enjoying a retirement because supreme Court made him immune to prosecution

Sounds like a hypothetical threat to prime the military to disobey both the chain of command but also the civillian led government (the elected offices of the government) and therefore turn against the People of America to institute an inefficient and morally and ideologically corrupt and obsolete small elite clique that colludes with literally foreign invaders and subversives, so yea not a good look still in your hypothetical scenario. The best solution to fit your hypothetical would be to immediately rat out the subversive traitors that threatened you with this to your superior officers and ruthlessly crush their conspiracy.

 

[Dude653]

Sounds like a hypothetical threat to prime the military to disobey both the chain of command but also the civillian led government (the elected offices of the government) and therefore turn against the People of America to institute an inefficient and morally and ideologically corrupt and obsolete small elite clique that colludes with literally foreign invaders and subversives, so yea not a good look still in your hypothetical scenario. The best solution to fit your hypothetical would be to immediately rat out the subversive traitors that threatened you with this to your superior officers and ruthlessly crush their conspiracy.

no, is this hypothetical I have been given an unlawful order

 

[SonJudgment]

no, is this hypothetical I have been given an unlawful order

Not really, you've just been attempted to be primed to commit some serious sedition, hence why there's you know the vagueness around unlawful orders and the threat of you being imprisoned when the hypothetical conspirators tempt you to overthrow the lawful chain of commands and elected government. Hypothetically speaking that's not even the Terre Haute outcome, the hypothetical soldier or me, in your hypothetical scenario not only would I rat them out but to crush their conspiracy requires to either very publicly execute them or to very much in the shadows wipe them and everyone closely associated off the face of the Earth and even metaphysically destroy them as well. Hypothetically speaking of course. That's kinda thing problem with hypotheticals but also why they are fun; hypothetically anything can happen.

 

[Dude653]

Not really, you've just been attempted to be primed to commit some serious sedition, hence why there's you know the vagueness around unlawful orders and the threat of you being imprisoned when the hypothetical conspirators tempt you to overthrow the lawful chain of commands and elected government. Hypothetically speaking that's not even the Terre Haute outcome, the hypothetical soldier or me, in your hypothetical scenario not only would I rat them out but to crush their conspiracy requires to either very publicly execute them or to very much in the shadows wipe them and everyone closely associated off the face of the Earth and even metaphysically destroy them as well. Hypothetically speaking of course. That's kinda thing problem with hypotheticals but also why they are fun; hypothetically anything can happen.

have you ever been tested for autism? you keep repeating the same irrelevant argument over and over.

I'm talking about a scenario in which someone has been issued and unlawful order.

like when Donald Trump instructed Mike pence to stop the certification. he refused as it was unlawful order

 

[SonJudgment]

have you ever been tested for autism? you keep repeating the same irrelevant argument over and over.

I'm talking about a scenario in which someone has been issued and unlawful order.

like when Donald Trump instructed Mike pence to stop the certification. he refused as it was unlawful order

What's the unlawful order then that carries with it the weight of the threat of the hypothetical imprisonment when the hypothetical primer overthrows the government and the military to punish me hypothetically?

 

[Dude653]

What's the unlawful order then that carries with it the weight of the threat of the hypothetical imprisonment when the hypothetical primer overthrows the government and the military to punish me hypothetically?

no one's overthrowing the government or even suggested so

 

[SonJudgment]

no one's overthrowing the government or even suggested so

They are though in your hypothetical and in this case non-hypothetically. You're suggesting to disobey the chain of command and rebel against the elected President and government and even heavily implicating the intelligence community and military as well. In the hypothetical this is easily detected by the vagueness of the "unlawful orders", the priming as we call it, and then it's back up by the threat of imprisonment. The problem within the hypothetical is the threat hinges on the primer being able to come to power and overthrow the chain of command of the military as well as the elected government, that is to say ultimately to overthrow Trump. That is also a problem inside the context of the hypothetical because you need to rely on an additional hypothetical that the hypothetical primer will even succeed in overthrowing Trump otherwise their threat and their vague priming is like totally bs and I could actually hypothetically advance myself as well as defend the Republic and be morally righteous and compliant to religion by simply ratting out or exposing and destroying them instead.

 

[Dude653]

They are though in your hypothetical and in this case non-hypothetically. You're suggesting to disobey the chain of command and rebel against the elected President and government and even heavily implicating the intelligence community and military as well. In the hypothetical this is easily detected by the vagueness of the "unlawful orders", the priming as we call it, and then it's back up by the treat of imprisonment. The problem within the hypothetical is the threat hinges on the primer being able to come to power and overthrow the chain of command of the military as well as the elected government, that is to say ultimately to overthrow Trump. That is also a problem inside the context of the hypothetical because you need to rely on an additional hypothetical that the hypothetical primer will even succeed in overthrowing Trump otherwise their threat and their vague priming is like totally bs and I could actually hypothetically advance myself as well as defend the Republic and be morally righteous and compliant to religion by simply ratting out or exposing and destroying them instead.

you got to be trolling at this point.

I'm referring to a hypothetical situation in which someone has hypothetically been given an unlawful order.

 

[SonJudgment]

you got to be trolling at this point.

I'm referring to a hypothetical situation in which someone has hypothetically been given an unlawful order.

Again depends on the unlawful order and how it matches the threat of my imprisonment against the hypothetical primers being able to carry out the hypothetical threat. So for example you say Jan 6th and Mike Pence, well that's not an unlawful order hate to break the news to you, nor was it unlawful for Pence to certifiy it either, though controversial so it's not really analgous to your hypothetical, it's not something I would go to prison for if I chose to ignore the primer or, more righteously, seek to destroy them to defend the innocent and the righteous of course.