How can he be "the Father" before He was the 'Son'?The Son ascended to once again exist outside of time (for He rose to "fill all things" (Ephesians 4:10)).
Previous to His incarnation He was the Father.
How can he be "the Father" before He was the 'Son'?The Son ascended to once again exist outside of time (for He rose to "fill all things" (Ephesians 4:10)).
Previous to His incarnation He was the Father.
John tells us in 12:41, "Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him." Isaiah saw Jesus.God is the answer.
That's a non sequitur. It does not follow, and therefore your assertion is not sound.The verse in question teaches that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost...and therefore was begotten in the incarnation.
Creation is then eternal?
The ruler is then eternal?
Who is this person apart from the Holy Spirit?
The Father, as a person, and the ruler are eternal?
How can he be "the Father" before He was the 'Son'?
No doubt. Is there a point?John tells us in 12:41, "Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him." Isaiah saw Jesus.
It does follow if you will ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate to you this scripture.That's a non sequitur. It does not follow, and therefore your assertion is not sound.
Wow. I don't have words to describe adequately your self-delusion.It does follow if you will ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate to you this scripture.
Absolutely. I'll let you figure out what it is.No doubt. Is there a point?
I have no reason to exert the brain power necessary to discern your riddles; I am quite happy believing what I believe.Absolutely. I'll let you figure out what it is.
Judge ye not, lest ye be judged...Wow. I don't have words to describe adequately your self-delusion.
Read the rest of that passage.Judge ye not, lest ye be judged...
Someone who believes they are a mermaid is as likewise "quite happy", but is it true that they are a mermaid?I have no reason to exert the brain power necessary to discern your riddles; I am quite happy believing what I believe.
If you're going to quote and misrepresent Scripture, at least get the quotation accurate.Judge ye not, lest ye be judged...
You're right....I probably shouldn't cast my pearls in front of you.Read the rest of that passage.
Since what I believe is in fact true, your analogy breaks down at its roots.Someone who believes they are a mermaid is as likewise "quite happy", but is it true that they are a mermaid?
If you're going to quote and misrepresent Scripture, at least get the quotation accurate.
As for your admonition, <snip> for in accusing me of judging you, you are judging me.
Better thee than me to try to explain There is One God. “God is a Spirit”, yep that’s Him. God is The Son , Yep that’’s Him, It pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell , yep that’s Him. Great is the Mystery of Godliness , God was manifest the flesh , Yep that’s Him, He that sees me sees Him who sent me, yep thats Him . The Holy Spirit is Called The Spirit God, The Spirit of the Father , and the Spirit of Christ yep That’s Him, Also called the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus Christ our Lord from the dead , Yep thats Him The Son is Called the Everlasting Father in Isaiah . Blessed be the Lord , I am laughing too much . I have to stop. Glory to our God.I will attempt to explain the Trinity with the following things in mind.
Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Tit 2:1, But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); the Father (John 4:23-24), the Son (John 4:24, Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 John 5:12), and the Holy Ghost (John 7:39, 2 Timothy 1:14).
There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21), the Son (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), and the Holy Ghost (2 Corinthians 3:17).
There is one God (Ephesians 4:6); the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, James 3:9 (kjv), Romans 15:6, Ephesians 4:6), the Son (Hebrews 1:8-9; John 8:58, Exodus 3:14; John 8:59, John 10:31-33), and the Holy Ghost (Acts 5:3-4, Romans 8:26-27).
With this in mind, I encourage the reader to interpret 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 and Ephesians 4:4-6.
That being said, there are distinctions between the members of the Trinity.
The Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24) inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15) without flesh.
The Son is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) dwelling in human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 john 1:7).
The Holy Ghost is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 7:39); after having lived a human life in the Person of the Son (see Luke 23:46); released to the Father in eternity from the human body of the Son; and who also descends into time in order to produce holy scripture (1 Peter 1:11) and to work within the church in order to win souls to Jesus Christ.
The Father, in the descending into time to take on an added nature of human flesh, did not VACATE ETERNITY.
So, when Jesus releases His Spirit (see John 14:7-11) back into eternity, there is now one God existing beside Himself in eternity; as there are two distinct Persons in the Father and the Holy Ghost who are infinite in nature.
The Son also being infinite in nature in His Deity; however in His humanity, which has received a glorified human body likened unto the angels (Matthew 22:30), He is of a finite nature and as He said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28); while as concerning His Deity He is equal to the Father (John 5:18).
For I contend that the Son is the Son in the reality that there is a hypostatic union of the two natures of humanity and Deity.
I also contend that the Son was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35); but that He ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) in the Person of the Holy Ghost.
This is FALSE DOCTRINE. Beware of false teachers!