Understanding God’s election

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Hebrews 9:28
So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation
without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

Christians are not judged with respect to any sin that they have committed, when Jesus returns.

Because their sins have already been forgiven and they are perfectly righteous.

We are rewarded by Jesus not judged.

There is no fear when you love
“Christians are not judged with respect to any sin that they have committed, when Jesus returns.”

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11

Every person will be judged by thier deeds . Christian’s know and believe Christ the judge so for instance

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats so valuable because we do all have to be judged for everything we do and have said do Jesus teachings become our doctrine knowing this is true

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

as Christian’s were supposed to hear and believe the judges judgements in the gospel…..before it’s too late .

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭

Paul’s teaching that in Roman’s 2 there are his intro in the start of the chapter someone was judging other sinners while they themselves also were a sinner Paul’s warning to him was that if he didn’t repent he was going to condemn himself and was storing up wrath against himself because he was judging and condemning others while himself being less than perfect ….

Our sin is forgiven but how we treat others now will determine our judgement come judgement day if we aren’t merciful and gracious and forgive others then we can expect to be treated the same way according to Jesus the judge

We’re all going to be judged …..it can be merciful or without mercy if we don’t show mercy towards others

“For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But like Jesus the lord taught if we are merciful we’re going to receive mercy , if we forgive we’re going to be forgiven if we don’t condemn we won’t be condemned and by the same measure we use and judge others we are going to be judged the same way


Grace isn’t just for me , it’s for everyone else too and meant to come from me
 
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The problem is that God's Word is not being acknowledged by the free will
crowd when so many verses get ignored, contradicted, and outright denied.


Like saying everyone hears. Jesus makes plain everyone does not hear.

That is just one example. I have given many over the last few months.

I don't think you like seeing them at all.
“The problem is that God's Word is not being acknowledged by the free will
crowd when so many verses get ignored, contradicted, and outright denied. “

But ……you guys never” deny contradict or ignore scripture “ though?
 
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“The problem is that God's Word is not being acknowledged by the free will
crowd when so many verses get ignored, contradicted, and outright denied. “

But ……you guys never” deny contradict or ignore scripture “ though?
I have yet to see any verse proclaiming that the natural man can choose to believe what he can neither receive nor comprehend, considering the gospel message foolishness while under the power and influence of the devil. But of course you can give no examples of any such verses for such free will because they simply do not exist... so they can't be denied, duh. Plus you refused to deal with what I actually sad, as usual.
 
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I have yet to see any verse proclaiming that the natural man can choose to believe what he can neither receive nor comprehend, considering the gospel message foolishness while under the power and influence of the devil. But of course you can give no examples of any such verses for such free will because they simply do not exist... so they can't be denied, duh. Plus you refused to deal with what I actually sad, as usual.
By asking a simple question once again lol I’ve mis represented what you said to me ? That seems to be a go to excuse and reason to avoid what’s actually said honestly but just my own opinion .

My goodness ….you accused people of ignoring scripture I simply asked don’t you do the same thing ? That’s not me misrepresenting anything 😂

it’s you avoiding answering a simple question this response is a perfect example of why it’s really hard to have a discussion with you lately sis ….
 

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By asking a simple question once again lol I’ve mis represented what you said to me ? That seems to be a go to excuse and reason to avoid what’s actually said honestly but just my own opinion .

My goodness ….you accused people of ignoring scripture I simply asked don’t you do the same thing ? That’s not me misrepresenting anything 😂

it’s you avoiding answering a simple question this response is a perfect example of why it’s really hard to have a discussion with you lately sis ….
Uh, I said nothing about misrepresentation to you. And you did not address what I said beyond trying to turn the tables when there are no verses for us to ignore, since none exist. Why you gotta go off into the weeds like that all the time? It just looks bad on you, all these smoke screens and diversionary tactics. Yeah, tactics. I never wanted to have any dispute with you, and you accuse me again and again, giving zero examples of denying verses, just make something up and hope it sticks. And then you say, oh this is why I don't talk to you, when you refuse to own up to your :poop::poop::poop: behavior, you have zero accountability. Laughable your "lately" when I have had you on ignore for many months. Back you go. Maybe some day when you can take responsibility for your false accusations there can be some kind of reconciliation.
 

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Uh, I said nothing about misrepresentation to you. And you did not address what I said beyond trying to turn the tables when there are no verses for us to ignore, since none exist. Why you gotta go off into the weeds like that all the time? It just looks bad on you, all these smoke screens and diversionary tactics. Yeah, tactics. I never wanted to have any dispute with you, and you accuse me again and again, giving zero examples of denying verses, just make something up and hope it sticks. And then you say, oh this is why I don't talk to you, when you refuse to own up to your :poop::poop::poop: behavior, you have zero accountability. Laughable your "lately" when I have had you on ignore for many months. Back you go. Maybe some day when you can take responsibility for your false accusations there can be some kind of reconciliation.
“Uh, I said nothing about misrepresentation to you. “

i can’t bring myself to even read ost this part it’s always what you claim

“Plus ll you said to me was this ….you refused to deal with what I actually said, as usual.”

This is what you said to me magenta anyone can read this

“The problem is that God's Word is not being acknowledged by the free will
crowd when so many verses get ignored, contradicted, and outright denied. “


And I responded with this to you in response to tbat

“But ……you guys never” deny contradict or ignore scripture “ though?”

lol sis that’s a direct reply to what you said . And this was your response to that sensible point that . You guys do exactly what you said “ the free Will crowd “does.

“have yet to see any verse proclaiming that the natural man can choose to believe what he can neither receive nor comprehend, considering the gospel message foolishness while under the power and influence of the devil. But of course you can give no examples of any such verses for such free will because they simply do not exist... so they can't be denied, duh. Plus you refused to deal with what I actually sad, as usual”

total avoidance and f my sinple question that you obviously won’t acknolwedge , and back to the “ natural Man “ speech again and once again telling me I’ve ignored what you said and never responded to it somehow offending and victimizing you once again like I do to poor Cameron . 😂

you guys were both good friends when I agreed with you lol but boy once you found out I believe people have free Will and can choose between good and evil and will be held accountable tbat sure changed . Now I’m just always somehow offending you two

to be honest I’d be alright with going back to avoiding talking at this point sis noting personal but it’s just so circular like just spinning wheels in sand . I do t have any interest in hearing about how the “ natural “ unchosen man can’t hear what God said.

I had just responded to what you said to me , to sort of show you that what you said was rather hypocritical because some people on both sides of this debate ignore scripture when it doesn’t suit thier argument. Was pretty simple and was a response to what you said to me

a I do t want to chat with you if your going to always be offended sis I’d rather not talk at all than to argue with you that’s the truth of how I feel love you on cjrost and don’t want to argue anymore
 

DavidLamb

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I have a question for This Room.
Why was The Apostle Paul sent to The Gentiles ? IF He was sent by God to Them, and was given A New Program for Them, then why do people Today mix all programs of The Scriptures together ? ?
Deepseeker
You seem to be under the impression that the gospel for the Gentiles that Paul preached was somehow different to the gospel preached to the Jews. It wasn't. The gospel in both cases is that we are all sinners by nature, and deserve only God's punishment, but God sent His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ to e the Saviour of sinners. Those sinners who believe in Him are saved and granted eternal life.