Understanding God’s election
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Salvation does not change.
Its always been the same.
Salvation is?
Believe in the Lord God (OT) Lord Jesus Christ (NT) and you are not going to the lake of fire. And, you will be given everlasting life.
It was the same for all OT believers, and for the Church.
That is salvation. Atonement received!
Now?
What God chooses beyond salvation itself, to give each believer?
Does change. The blessings that follow salvation will be different for each one.
In the Church age?
Going to heaven and receiving a mansion in Christ is not salvation.
Its what accompanies the salvation of the Church age believer.
Salvation itself has always been the same. Atonement received.
The blessings attached to each one's salvation? That does change.
I hope that clarifies...
Its always been the same.
Salvation is?
Believe in the Lord God (OT) Lord Jesus Christ (NT) and you are not going to the lake of fire. And, you will be given everlasting life.
It was the same for all OT believers, and for the Church.
That is salvation. Atonement received!
Now?
What God chooses beyond salvation itself, to give each believer?
Does change. The blessings that follow salvation will be different for each one.
In the Church age?
Going to heaven and receiving a mansion in Christ is not salvation.
Its what accompanies the salvation of the Church age believer.
Salvation itself has always been the same. Atonement received.
The blessings attached to each one's salvation? That does change.
I hope that clarifies...
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Jesus’ words in John 6:65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1:21 and 2:13; Ephesians 2:1a and 3b; Philippians 1:6 and 2:13
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Johnny Mac .......
"You know I was looking at the internet the other day and some wistful girl said 'How I became a Calvinist and left Calvinism'... well, the sophomoric comment ["pretentious or juvenile," ] like that, from somebody who should keep her thoughts to herself because she has no idea what she's talking about, is to be measured against someone who for 50 years has taken every text of the Bible and put doctrine into that text and see if it survives. And I can say that it has." [Translation: "Don't listen to that ignorant, uneducated girl, but listen to me, a giant of the faith."]
He is saying what every calvie here WANTS to say. Heck, a couple have. THIS is their theology. I pray they dump this garbage.
"You know I was looking at the internet the other day and some wistful girl said 'How I became a Calvinist and left Calvinism'... well, the sophomoric comment ["pretentious or juvenile," ] like that, from somebody who should keep her thoughts to herself because she has no idea what she's talking about, is to be measured against someone who for 50 years has taken every text of the Bible and put doctrine into that text and see if it survives. And I can say that it has." [Translation: "Don't listen to that ignorant, uneducated girl, but listen to me, a giant of the faith."]
He is saying what every calvie here WANTS to say. Heck, a couple have. THIS is their theology. I pray they dump this garbage.
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Those are examples of his politics Not his Hermeneutics or Soteriology.
I find Mr.Anderson to be an affront to the calling of pastoral office.
Besides denying the Holocaust ,and laying blame for much of the worlds troubles at the feet of Jews he claims repentance is not part of our Salvation. He insists repentance is a work.
He also claims Christians who do not love God still go to Heaven. I find that one of his many teachings to be quiet the conundrum.
He also teaches the Matthew 24 Olivet Discourse applies to the end times.
Just a few of his claims that I find concerning.
I find Mr.Anderson to be an affront to the calling of pastoral office.
Besides denying the Holocaust ,and laying blame for much of the worlds troubles at the feet of Jews he claims repentance is not part of our Salvation. He insists repentance is a work.
He also claims Christians who do not love God still go to Heaven. I find that one of his many teachings to be quiet the conundrum.
He also teaches the Matthew 24 Olivet Discourse applies to the end times.
Just a few of his claims that I find concerning.
John 14:1-3 Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.
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No more males and females either. I wonder how any Christian can get married or stay married.
At any rate you would do very well to remember ,Mr. Dispen, what you just wrote since that will never change in this eternal New Covenant economy.
I wonder how any Christian can get married or stay married. At any rate you would do very well to remember ,Mr. Dispen, what you just wrote since that will never change in this eternal New Covenant economy.
Meaning?
All are now equal before the Lord.
Prior to the Church age?
Men in Israel had privileges that the women were denied.
It was the males who had to present the blood of atonement.
Not women.
Now all believers are free to present the blood of Christ when needed.
No more male or female in that sense.
But as far as gender?
God created our souls to be male or female, in Genesis 1:27.
So God created [bara] man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them.'
What was created means created "out from nothing." [bara]
Were created, either male or female souls.
In contrast to creation of the souls...
The bodies for those souls were not created out from nothing.
But, the Hebrew says they were molded and formed (yatsar) from the elements of the soil.
In the resurrection the resurrection body of the female will be for her female soul.
And, likewise for the male who is resurrected. His body will be for his male soul!
Yes!
There will still be male and females.
For both were created in God's image!
grace and peace ..........
Context should be mentioned here since Jesus said He knew many did not believe in Him to begin with.
So actually Jesus gave 2 opposing views that back up one clear message. Number one, many did not believe to begin with. Number two, one only comes by invitation. One shows free will and the other shows predestination. But both show the same result.
So actually Jesus gave 2 opposing views that back up one clear message. Number one, many did not believe to begin with. Number two, one only comes by invitation. One shows free will and the other shows predestination. But both show the same result.
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Since when did you start to do that!?
Also, Noah and Abraham and all the other OT saints are all Brides of Christ, since they by faith looked forward to the promised Messiah that was first promised in Gen 3:15. Again...you should do yourself a favor and get up to speed on Rev 21-22. The 12 gates of pearl to the "city" represent OC Israel and the 12 apostles, as the foundation to the "city" the NC Church.
Even Job knew his Redeemer lived and looked forward to Him by faith.
Also, Noah and Abraham and all the other OT saints are all Brides of Christ, since they by faith looked forward to the promised Messiah that was first promised in Gen 3:15. Again...you should do yourself a favor and get up to speed on Rev 21-22. The 12 gates of pearl to the "city" represent OC Israel and the 12 apostles, as the foundation to the "city" the NC Church.
Even Job knew his Redeemer lived and looked forward to Him by faith.
Maybe later you will understand.
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I disagree. Your perspective cancels out both premises.
If free will is a factor, predestination is not necessary.
Besides this Jesus taught free will of the creature,the dead in sin person unable to understand the things of God, is not a factor in his Gospel whereon he says, no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them,gives them to Jesus, because they were predestined by God fór His purpose.
They can't come unless God leads them. They can't feel led unless God enables their understanding. God tells us this.
Not John Calvin,not Augustine,God.
"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."
“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
If free will is a factor, predestination is not necessary.
Besides this Jesus taught free will of the creature,the dead in sin person unable to understand the things of God, is not a factor in his Gospel whereon he says, no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them,gives them to Jesus, because they were predestined by God fór His purpose.
They can't come unless God leads them. They can't feel led unless God enables their understanding. God tells us this.
Not John Calvin,not Augustine,God.
"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."
“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
