Understanding God’s election
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I love my work because when I work I do it for him and give my all as if God himself is my boss. but you know some of the happiest people come home smelling to high heaven specifically because of that reason
Why not?
The human race is deeply scarred by their faulty DNA.
Where do you think Putin, Hitler, Trump, Biden, come from?
It's their DNA and their DNA is preprogramed to cause nothing but trouble for everyone else.
We need a new set of genes, a new physical form, far more intellect, etc.
You know that you are insane and no one will listen to you.
I did the same thing myself though I never loved working.
It takes a change in a person's mindset.
A mind directed towards God during the workday and never take the work mentality home.
If you have some issue at work it stays there when you sign off.
Because anything constructed by man ai or any other means to create life is a slap in God's face and he doesn't take that lightly
The end is already at the door we will not be concerned about dna except for the dna corruption given by the mark. unless I am wrong and the mark is not altering dna but trust me man is flying to close to the sun and we both know what happens then
Yes, but that's a spiritual creation and is not of the flesh.
The flesh must be purified with fire.
consider that the Bible teaches of two deaths as well.
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die,( everyone understands our flesh and blood is going to die )
but after this the judgment:”
Hebrews 9:27 KJV
after our body dies we’re still appointed to judgement which would be our spirit and the judgement is known as the “second death “ which ( seems to me ) would be the spiritual death in tbe lake of fire because the resurrection is of the spiritual body not the flesh and blood
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:14-15 KJV
Yes! We who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into his death. The promise of that death is to be raised with new life, just as God raised Him from the dead.
John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Were we separated from God when Adam left the garden?
Or was the separation a more gradual hardness of heart over time?
the issue is your heart was never in the right place and yes I may very well be insane yet plenty of people listen to me.
You have have the joy of the Lord in your life and heart otherwise yes it may seem like a curse to you
Both I think. I suppose Adam communed with the angels of God at the gate of Eden all of his life, and his godly sons to some extent also. But as time progressed the revelation of God that kept men alive diminished and dimmed and the life spans correspondingly decreased.
There was a noticeable drop off in lifespans after the flood and a very dramatic one at the confusion of tongues at Babel, which made it impossible to preserve the revelation of God in a unified form. Peleg in Genesis 11:19 lived half as long as his father (209 years vs 430 years), and since his name means 'to divide', I suspect the reason for the sharp drop off was due to the confusion that overwhelmed mankind at the division of mankind into nations at Babel.
"The reprobate like the elect are appointed to be so by the secret council of God's will" (Calvin's Institutes II, chapter xxii, page 11) and "...their doom was fixed from all eternity and nothing in them could transfer them to a contrary class..." (Calvin's Institutes III, chapter iii, page 4).
"...Not all men are created with similar destiny but eternal life is foreordained for some, and eternal damnation for others. Every man, therefore, being created for one or the other of these ends, we say, he is either predestined either to life or death" (Calvin's Institutes III, chapter xxiii).
This is the verse that makes me think Peleg lived during the division of mankind into nations at Babel
And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the land divided; and his brother's name was Joktan. Genesis 10:25
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50
"The reprobate like the elect are appointed to be so by the secret council of God's will" (Calvin's Institutes II, chapter xxii, page 11) and "...their doom was fixed from all eternity and nothing in them could transfer them to a contrary class..." (Calvin's Institutes III, chapter iii, page 4).
"...Not all men are created with similar destiny but eternal life is foreordained for some, and eternal damnation for others. Every man, therefore, being created for one or the other of these ends, we say, he is either predestined either to life or death" (Calvin's Institutes III, chapter xxiii).
, "The only time free-will might be reasonably asserted to have existed was in Adam before the fall. Adam could have resisted if he would, since he fell merely by his own will. In this integrity man was endowed with free-will, by which, if he had chosen, he might have obtained eternal life."
Then he goes on to say......Nah, not even Adam had a freewill. Word salad. Tulip IS a word salad.
"Nevertheless, there is no reality in the free-will thus attributed to man, in as much as God had decreed the fall, and therefore must have in some wise already biased Adam's will. It was not left in neutral equilibrium, nor was his future ever in suspense or uncertainty. It was certain that sooner or later Adam would fall into evil, and with that inevitable fall there disappeared every trace of the free-will which man may have had. From that time the will became corrupt along with the whole of nature. Man no longer possessed the capacity to choose between good and evil" (Calvin's Institutes II, chapter iv, page 8).