Understanding God’s election

[Inquisitor]

He got what he deserved from the very beginning when God relegated Adam to become the Serpent's seed.

Not true, Adam's crime sentenced us all to working for a living.

We spend 12 or more years at school to prepare us for the workforce.

Then we all spend four to five decades, every week of every year, working.

Life is all about work and who enslaved us, that is, Adam.

Adam has a lot of explaining to do.

 

[cv5]

She instantly died, spiritually...
Nothing detectable to the human eye looking at her human body.

When someone is born again, they still maintain the same appearance physically.

I am quite convicted that unfallen Adam COULD perceive BOTH her spiritual degradation and physical as well.

And it was truly devastating to behold. And Adam considered that it was HIS FAILING that was the reason for
the fall of the Woman. He was tasked with educating and protecting her.

BTW, unfallen Adam was truly glorious and magnificent. With abilities and intellect VASTLY greater than ours.
He was perfectly capable of RESISTING SATAN when the angels (including Michael) were not!

 

[Rufus]

Are you accusing me of ignoring what is clearly written in Romans 11?

Romans 11:1-2
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? Far from it! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,
of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew.

Romans 11:7
What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained?

Romans 11:11
I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they?

Romans 11:12
Now if their wrongdoing proves to be riches for the world, and their failure, riches for the Gentiles,
how much more will their fulfillment be!

Then you have the gall to provide a partial quotation from Romans to the Inquisitor.
And accuse the Inquisitor of not understanding?

Here is your pathetic, partial quotation a cheery picked, partial verse.

Romans 11:13
But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles.

Well, for your sake I will quote the entire verse from romans 11:13-14, and we will see if your correct.

Romans 11:13-14
But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Therefore insofar as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify
my ministry if somehow I may move my own people to jealousy and save some of them.

Paul just gave the game away and yes Paul has been talking to the Jews. And about the Jews since
Chapter two. Paul is apologizing to the Gentiles because the Jews are my own people.

Tell me how you can ignore the two groups (Jews and Gentiles) and God's sovereign election!

What is going on in this thread?

I'm accusing you of ignoring the context of Romans, especially Paul's opening remarks to his original audience in chapter 1. What part of Rom 1:7, 13 don't you get?

Even in Rom 11:13-14, he's talking about the Jews in the THIRD PERSON while addressing the Gentiles directly in the chapter.

You're not very detail-oriented, are you? Details get in your way much?

 

[Rufus]

Not true, Adam's crime sentenced us all to working for a living.

We spend 12 or more years at school to prepare us for the workforce.

Then we all spend four to five decades, every week of every year, working.

Life is all about work and who enslaved us, that is, Adam.

Adam has a lot of explaining to do.

As if Adam or any other human being answers to any of us! I guess you're not satisfied with God's justice, are you? I mean...God did condemn Adam in the Garden since he's not part of the Woman's godly seed.

 

[Genez]

I teresting theory.
One that I think paints a unique picture of God.

It also gives reason why Jesus could have no human father.
For it is the male's sperm (not the woman's seed/ovum) that carries along the defect!

That is why Genesis 3:15 is worded specifically, as follows.

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; ​

he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”​

One seed is literal (Mary's).
For, God used Mary's ovum!
No human father allowed!
For the typical, fallen male's sperm, is the carrier for the sin nature!

The Divine solution?
The Holy Spirit produced the perfect genetic material needed to fertilize Mary's ovum.

And the other seed? The serpent's is figurative.

For, since the fall?
The serpent's image is being reflected in all fallen people.

In that sense... it could be said, Satan is the father of the fallen nature of man!
For from birth we are all in Satan's image until regeneration takes place!

grace and peace ........

 

[Inquisitor]

As if Adam or any other human being answers to any of us! I guess you're not satisfied with God's justice, are you? I mean...God did condemn Adam in the Garden since he's not part of the Woman's godly seed.

God has issued me with the full judgement of mankind and the angels.

 

[Genez]

Romans 1:13
As far as Romans 11?

Another couple of swings a misses.

Bullies like to brag and boast...

 

[Cameron143]

Not true, Adam's crime sentenced us all to working for a living.

We spend 12 or more years at school to prepare us for the workforce.

Then we all spend four to five decades, every week of every year, working.

Life is all about work and who enslaved us, that is, Adam.

Adam has a lot of explaining to do.

Adam was given the job of keeping the garden and naming animals before sin. The curse wasn't work, but doing so by the sweat of our brow. Work itself was always part of creation and God's plan to get the knowledge of His glory throughout the earth.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Same here but better to laugh about than let it bring you down I joke about my eyes all the time

that’s my attitude also brother gotta be happy when we can

 

[Inquisitor]

It also gives reason why Jesus could have no human father.
For it is the male's sperm (not the woman's seed/ovum) that carries along the defect!

That is why Genesis 3:15 is worded specifically, as follows.

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; ​

he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”​

One seed is literal (Mary's).
For, God used Mary's ovum!
No human father allowed!
For the typical, fallen male's sperm, is the carrier for the sin nature!

The Divine solution?
The Holy Spirit produced the perfect genetic material needed to fertilize Mary's ovum.

And the other seed? The serpent's is figurative.

For, since the fall?
The serpent's image is being reflected in all fallen people.

In that sense... it could be said, Satan is the father of the fallen nature of man!
For from birth we are all in Satan's image until regeneration takes place!

grace and peace ........

Jesus came from above and not from Mary and Joseph.

The Word became flesh.

Mary was a surrogate mother of Jesus.

Jesus was born into the house of David.

On earth Jesus only had One Father and the Word was God also.

Jesus assumed the human image but was not genetically derived from Adam.

Because Jesus existed before Bethlehem.

 

[Inquisitor]

Adam was given the job of keeping the garden and naming animals before sin. The curse wasn't work, but doing so by the sweat of our brow. Work itself was always part of creation and God's plan to get the knowledge of His glory throughout the earth.

Rubbish, work is a curse.

Naming animals is not work.

 

[Genez]

As someone once stated, context, is the enemy of Calvinism.

Poor John Calvin!
He never concocted TULIP, yet gets blamed for it.

Calvin had disciples who concocted TULIP after the death of Calvin.
The false doctrine was heralded in under the respected name of John Calvin.

Who's to blame?
Theodore Beza was the deep state of Calvin's ministry!

.......

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Adam was given the job of keeping the garden and naming animals before sin. The curse wasn't work, but doing so by the sweat of our brow. Work itself was always part of creation and God's plan to get the knowledge of His glory throughout the earth.

“And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; ( because it’s cursed ) and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now they would die as the command had warned them

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Rubbish, work is a curse.

Naming animals is not work.

Man’s purpose was to tend the garden of Eden before anything

“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7-8, 15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

adam was a gardener

 

[Genez]

Jesus came from above and not from Mary and Joseph.

The Word became flesh.

That flesh was provided for by means of Mary's ovum!
The 'seed' of the woman! (Genesis 3:15)

Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:​

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“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,​

but a body you prepared for me." ​

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Hebrews 10:5​

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His flesh had to be fully human to qualify to die in our place!

 

[Blain]

Rubbish, work is a curse.

Naming animals is not work.

A curse? Even God himself worked to create all that is he labored and rested are we any better? work was embedded into us when he made us the human body is a prime example your body never grows stronger unless you put in work to tear and rebuild the muscles.

You hate working that much? why?

 

[Cameron143]

Rubbish, work is a curse.

Naming animals is not work.

God created work. Everything God created is good and very good.

 

[Genez]

Rubbish, work is a curse.

Naming animals is not work.

It was work considering that it was not good that man be alone...
While in the pain of his loneliness, Adam continued naming all the animals the Lord was bringing his way.

Besides… Not all works are unpleasant.
It does not seem like work when you learn to love what it is the Lord has assigned you!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I teresting theory.
One that I think paints a unique picture of God.

I think it paints a perverse picture of reality. All men sin because they inherit a dead spiritual nature, ie separated from God, which prevents them from having perfect knowledge of God's will, therefore they sin. It says that men sin because spiritual death entered the world, not because of deformed DNA, which is a consequence, not the main cause, of generations of sin

On account of this as through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin, death, thus to all men death passed, upon which all sinned. Romans 5:12​

 

[cv5]

A curse? Even God himself worked to create all that is he labored and rested are we any better? work was embedded into us when he made us the human body is a prime example your body never grows stronger unless you put in work to tear and rebuild the muscles.

You hate working that much? why?

Work is a blessing. No doubt Adams work was a joy before the fall.

But it became painful and burdensome and worrisome. As did living.

[Gen 3:17 KJV]
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;

[Gen 3:18 KJV]
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;