Understanding God’s election

[dougcho]

I have not swamped the OP with a lot of Scripture quotations,
but hopefully you will recall the NT verses which confirm the following …

Man is doubly incapable of believing in Jesus and the Gospel
1 – Because of the disobedience (sin) of Adam and Eve,
all humans are born with an inherited sin nature,
and are bent on sinning instead of following God (Romans 3:9-18).
Having a saving faith is against their very nature!
2 - All unsaved humans are captive prisoners of Satan,
and are bent on doing whatever he wants them to do (2 Timothy 2:26).
Jesus came to set the captives of Satan free (Luke 4:18).
Having a saving faith is against our enemy’s plans for them,
which, of course, is spending eternity with Satan and his demons in hell.
If the God-worshipping Lydia (Acts 16:14) needs God to give her the necessary
faith to believe in Jesus and the Gospel, surely everyone does also!
Similarly, the “anyones” who believe in Jesus in verses such as John 3:16
are the ones whom God has given saving faith!

Father God elects (chooses) and calls whomever He wishes
Jesus says to the elect, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you ….” (John 16:15).
Surely, here is a strong hint that we should investigate this matter further.
Romans chapter 9 is the most famous proponent of God’s election …
“… that the purpose of election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls.
… So then, it is not of him who wills (to be elected, chosen, and called),
nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.” (Romans 9:11-16)
God gives grace to whomever He chooses, but no one deserves grace (unmerited favor)!
God gives justice to whomever He chooses, and everyone deserves justice!
God wishes that all could be saved, but it is not possible because He insists on His justice.
“You love justice and hate evil.” (Hebrews 1”9)
God is not willing that any (of us) should perish, but that all (of us) should repent …
… the “us” referring to His elect, who are promised salvation.
Christians are called to confess and repent of their on-going sins,
and the blood of Jesus will cleanse them of all their unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9).

The reason why Father God chooses some, but not others
Father God chooses to elect some people for His great pleasure.
He chooses to elect some to demonstrate to the whole world
His great love, mercy, grace, etc. (Romans 9:23).
He chooses to elect some to be companions for His Son throughout eternity (Scriptural?).
Those not chosen are given justice, which sadly is what they deserve.

Those whom Father God gives to Jesus are guaranteed salvation
This is all about the unconditional security of the born-again believer.
Multitudes of NT verses are God’s promises of salvation given to His elect.
Surely, those of us who are born again should be continually praising God and
thanking Him for choosing us … and for the Holy Spirit sanctifying us unto holiness
… and for Jesus interceding for us before Father God in heaven.

 

[Magenta]

Man is doubly incapable of believing in Jesus and the Gospel

Father God elects (chooses) and calls whomever He wishes

The reason why Father God chooses some, but not others

Those whom Father God gives to Jesus are guaranteed salvation

Man's depravity vs God's Grace

 

[Magenta]

The natural man and fools are characterized as, or known for:

1. being wicked (2 Samuel 13:13; Psalm 94:3,8)

2. mockers of God (Psalm 74:22)

3. not understanding their bleak eternal destiny (Psalm 92:6)

4. being rebellious (Psalm 107:17)

5. despising spiritual wisdom (Proverbs 1:7)

6. hating spiritual knowledge (Proverbs 1:22)

7. mockers delighting in mockiery (Proverbs 1:22)

8. being wayward and complacent (Proverbs 1:32)

9. being wicked and held up to shame by God (Proverbs 3:33,35)

10. dying for their lack of knowledge (Proverbs 10:21)

11. having hearts that blurt out folly (Proverbs 12:23)

12. detesting the thought to turn away from evil (Proverbs 13:19)

13. bringing harm to their companions (Proverbs 13:20)

14. folly in their heart that is deception (Proverbs 14:8)

15. mockers at making amends for their sins (Proverbs 14:9)

16. known for their folly that only yields folly (Proverbs 14:24)

17. not spreading true [spiritual] knowledge (Proverbs15:7)

18. their folly that brings them punishment (Proverbs 16:22)

20. being ignorant of their wrong-doings (Ecclesiastes 5:1)

21. being unpleasing to God (Ecclesiastes 5:4)

22. having hearts that are in the house of pleasure (Ecclesiastes7:4)

23. their laughter as being meaningless (Ecclesiastes 7:6)

24. their anger residing in their laps (Ecclesiastes 7:9)

25. thinking of themselves as wise counsellors but only giving senseless advice (Isaiah 19:11)

26. not being willing to walk in the Way of Holiness (Isaiah 35:8)

27. not knowing God (Jeremiah 4:22)

28. being false prophets (Jeremiah 50:36)

29. being equated with the wicked (1 Samuel 25:25)

30. at times for recognizing themselves as being great sinners (1 Samuel 26:21)

31. resentment or envy slaying them (Job 5:2)

31. denying the existence of God (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)

32. their chattering that bring them to ruin (Proverbs 10:10,14)

33. the spreaders of slander (Proverbs 10:18)

34. finding pleasure in evil conduct (Proverbs 10:23)

35. choosing a way that seems right to them and ignoring good advice (Proverbs 12:15)

36. angering quickly (Proverbs 12:16; 20:3; 29:11)

37. exposing their own folly (Proverbs 13:16)

38. being hotheaded and reckless (Proverbs 14:16)

39. having mouths that gush folly (Proverbs 15:2)

40. having mouths that feed on folly (Proverbs 15:14)

41. spurning their father's discipline (Proverbs 15:5)

42. having no desire to get wisdom (Proverbs 17:16)

43. finding no pleasure in understanding (Proverbs 18:2)

44. delighting in airing their own opinions (Proverbs 18:2)

45. having perverse lips (Proverbs 19:1)

46. scorning the wisdom of wise words if the wise speak to them (Proverbs23:9)

47. their proverbs being as useless as a lame man's legs hanging limp (Proverbs 26:7).

48. a dog that returns to its vomit when it repeats its folly (Proverbs 26:11)

49. their provocation which is heavier than stone and sand (Proverbs 27:3)

50. their great reluctance in removing their folly from themselves (Proverbs 27:22)

51. trusting in themselves (Proverbs 28:26)

52. raging and scoffing at the wise man with whom he goes to court (Proverbs 29:9)

53. playing the fool, exalting themselves or planning evil (Proverbs 30:32)

54. walking in the darkness (Ecclesiastes 2:14)

55. folding their hands and bringing ruin to themselves (Ecclesiastes 4:5)

56. their speech pours out many words (Ecclesiastes 5:3)

57. lacking sense and showing everyone how stupid they are (Ecclesiastes 10:13)

58. being consumed by their own lips (Ecclesiastes 10:12)

59. multiplying their own words (Ecclesiastes 10:14)

60. speaking folly (Isaiah 32:6)

61. their minds being busy with evil (Isaiah 32:6)

62. practicing ungodliness and spreading error concerning the Lord (Isaiah 32:6)

63. leaving the hungry empty and withholding water from the thirsty (Isaiah 32:6)

64. gaining riches by unjust gains (Jer 17:11)

 

[Cameron143]

The natural man and fools are characterized as, or known for:

1. being wicked (2 Samuel 13:13; Psalm 94:3,8)

2. mockers of God (Psalm 74:22)

3. not understanding their bleak eternal destiny (Psalm 92:6)

4. being rebellious (Psalm 107:17)

5. despising spiritual wisdom (Proverbs 1:7)

6. hating spiritual knowledge (Proverbs 1:22)

7. mockers delighting in mockiery (Proverbs 1:22)

8. being wayward and complacent (Proverbs 1:32)

9. being wicked and held up to shame by God (Proverbs 3:33,35)

10. dying for their lack of knowledge (Proverbs 10:21)

11. having hearts that blurt out folly (Proverbs 12:23)

12. detesting the thought to turn away from evil (Proverbs 13:19)

13. bringing harm to their companions (Proverbs 13:20)

14. folly in their heart that is deception (Proverbs 14:8)

15. mockers at making amends for their sins (Proverbs 14:9)

16. known for their folly that only yields folly (Proverbs 14:24)

17. not spreading true [spiritual] knowledge (Proverbs15:7)

18. their folly that brings them punishment (Proverbs 16:22)

20. being ignorant of their wrong-doings (Ecclesiastes 5:1)

21. being unpleasing to God (Ecclesiastes 5:4)

22. having hearts that are in the house of pleasure (Ecclesiastes7:4)

23. their laughter as being meaningless (Ecclesiastes 7:6)

24. their anger residing in their laps (Ecclesiastes 7:9)

25. thinking of themselves as wise counsellors but only giving senseless advice (Isaiah 19:11)

26. not being willing to walk in the Way of Holiness (Isaiah 35:8)

27. not knowing God (Jeremiah 4:22)

28. being false prophets (Jeremiah 50:36)

29. being equated with the wicked (1 Samuel 25:25)

30. at times for recognizing themselves as being great sinners (1 Samuel 26:21)

31. resentment or envy slaying them (Job 5:2)

31. denying the existence of God (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)

32. their chattering that bring them to ruin (Proverbs 10:10,14)

33. the spreaders of slander (Proverbs 10:18)

34. finding pleasure in evil conduct (Proverbs 10:23)

35. choosing a way that seems right to them and ignoring good advice (Proverbs 12:15)

36. angering quickly (Proverbs 12:16; 20:3; 29:11)

37. exposing their own folly (Proverbs 13:16)

38. being hotheaded and reckless (Proverbs 14:16)

39. having mouths that gush folly (Proverbs 15:2)

40. having mouths that feed on folly (Proverbs 15:14)

41. spurning their father's discipline (Proverbs 15:5)

42. having no desire to get wisdom (Proverbs 17:16)

43. finding no pleasure in understanding (Proverbs 18:2)

44. delighting in airing their own opinions (Proverbs 18:2)

45. having perverse lips (Proverbs 19:1)

46. scorning the wisdom of wise words if the wise speak to them (Proverbs23:9)

47. their proverbs being as useless as a lame man's legs hanging limp (Proverbs 26:7).

48. a dog that returns to its vomit when it repeats its folly (Proverbs 26:11)

49. their provocation which is heavier than stone and sand (Proverbs 27:3)

50. their great reluctance in removing their folly from themselves (Proverbs 27:22)

51. trusting in themselves (Proverbs 28:26)

52. raging and scoffing at the wise man with whom he goes to court (Proverbs 29:9)

53. playing the fool, exalting themselves or planning evil (Proverbs 30:32)

54. walking in the darkness (Ecclesiastes 2:14)

55. folding their hands and bringing ruin to themselves (Ecclesiastes 4:5)

56. their speech pours out many words (Ecclesiastes 5:3)

57. lacking sense and showing everyone how stupid they are (Ecclesiastes 10:13)

58. being consumed by their own lips (Ecclesiastes 10:12)

59. multiplying their own words (Ecclesiastes 10:14)

60. speaking folly (Isaiah 32:6)

61. their minds being busy with evil (Isaiah 32:6)

62. practicing ungodliness and spreading error concerning the Lord (Isaiah 32:6)

63. leaving the hungry empty and withholding water from the thirsty (Isaiah 32:6)

64. gaining riches by unjust gains (Jer 17:11)

Whoa! That natural guy has problems.

 

[Publican]

The natural man and fools are characterized as, or known for:

1. being wicked (2 Samuel 13:13; Psalm 94:3,8)

2. mockers of God (Psalm 74:22)

3. not understanding their bleak eternal destiny (Psalm 92:6)

4. being rebellious (Psalm 107:17)

5. despising spiritual wisdom (Proverbs 1:7)

6. hating spiritual knowledge (Proverbs 1:22)

7. mockers delighting in mockiery (Proverbs 1:22)

8. being wayward and complacent (Proverbs 1:32)

9. being wicked and held up to shame by God (Proverbs 3:33,35)

10. dying for their lack of knowledge (Proverbs 10:21)

11. having hearts that blurt out folly (Proverbs 12:23)

12. detesting the thought to turn away from evil (Proverbs 13:19)

13. bringing harm to their companions (Proverbs 13:20)

14. folly in their heart that is deception (Proverbs 14:8)

15. mockers at making amends for their sins (Proverbs 14:9)

16. known for their folly that only yields folly (Proverbs 14:24)

17. not spreading true [spiritual] knowledge (Proverbs15:7)

18. their folly that brings them punishment (Proverbs 16:22)

20. being ignorant of their wrong-doings (Ecclesiastes 5:1)

21. being unpleasing to God (Ecclesiastes 5:4)

22. having hearts that are in the house of pleasure (Ecclesiastes7:4)

23. their laughter as being meaningless (Ecclesiastes 7:6)

24. their anger residing in their laps (Ecclesiastes 7:9)

25. thinking of themselves as wise counsellors but only giving senseless advice (Isaiah 19:11)

26. not being willing to walk in the Way of Holiness (Isaiah 35:8)

27. not knowing God (Jeremiah 4:22)

28. being false prophets (Jeremiah 50:36)

29. being equated with the wicked (1 Samuel 25:25)

30. at times for recognizing themselves as being great sinners (1 Samuel 26:21)

31. resentment or envy slaying them (Job 5:2)

31. denying the existence of God (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)

32. their chattering that bring them to ruin (Proverbs 10:10,14)

33. the spreaders of slander (Proverbs 10:18)

34. finding pleasure in evil conduct (Proverbs 10:23)

35. choosing a way that seems right to them and ignoring good advice (Proverbs 12:15)

36. angering quickly (Proverbs 12:16; 20:3; 29:11)

37. exposing their own folly (Proverbs 13:16)

38. being hotheaded and reckless (Proverbs 14:16)

39. having mouths that gush folly (Proverbs 15:2)

40. having mouths that feed on folly (Proverbs 15:14)

41. spurning their father's discipline (Proverbs 15:5)

42. having no desire to get wisdom (Proverbs 17:16)

43. finding no pleasure in understanding (Proverbs 18:2)

44. delighting in airing their own opinions (Proverbs 18:2)

45. having perverse lips (Proverbs 19:1)

46. scorning the wisdom of wise words if the wise speak to them (Proverbs23:9)

47. their proverbs being as useless as a lame man's legs hanging limp (Proverbs 26:7).

48. a dog that returns to its vomit when it repeats its folly (Proverbs 26:11)

49. their provocation which is heavier than stone and sand (Proverbs 27:3)

50. their great reluctance in removing their folly from themselves (Proverbs 27:22)

51. trusting in themselves (Proverbs 28:26)

52. raging and scoffing at the wise man with whom he goes to court (Proverbs 29:9)

53. playing the fool, exalting themselves or planning evil (Proverbs 30:32)

54. walking in the darkness (Ecclesiastes 2:14)

55. folding their hands and bringing ruin to themselves (Ecclesiastes 4:5)

56. their speech pours out many words (Ecclesiastes 5:3)

57. lacking sense and showing everyone how stupid they are (Ecclesiastes 10:13)

58. being consumed by their own lips (Ecclesiastes 10:12)

59. multiplying their own words (Ecclesiastes 10:14)

60. speaking folly (Isaiah 32:6)

61. their minds being busy with evil (Isaiah 32:6)

62. practicing ungodliness and spreading error concerning the Lord (Isaiah 32:6)

63. leaving the hungry empty and withholding water from the thirsty (Isaiah 32:6)

64. gaining riches by unjust gains (Jer 17:11)

Dang, that's a rather lengthy and unpleasant list.

 

[Magenta]

Dang, that's a rather lengthy and unpleasant list.

I printed it out for your viewing pleasure .

There are probably more but the list is already quite long and the font so small that printing it out seems wise...

I just revisited it in photoshop to see if changing the format from vertical to hoz helps, but nope! Not really...

The font is still just as small.

 

[Magenta]

Whoa! That natural guy has problems.

Thank God for Jesus!!!

 

[homwardbound]

Man's depravity vs God's Grace

Yet God has called us all to choose to believe God in risen Son or not
Any scriptures on that you might have, love the call you are in and do, thank you

 

[John146]

I have not swamped the OP with a lot of Scripture quotations,
but hopefully you will recall the NT verses which confirm the following …

Man is doubly incapable of believing in Jesus and the Gospel
1 – Because of the disobedience (sin) of Adam and Eve,
all humans are born with an inherited sin nature,
and are bent on sinning instead of following God (Romans 3:9-18).
Having a saving faith is against their very nature!
2 - All unsaved humans are captive prisoners of Satan,
and are bent on doing whatever he wants them to do (2 Timothy 2:26).
Jesus came to set the captives of Satan free (Luke 4:18).
Having a saving faith is against our enemy’s plans for them,
which, of course, is spending eternity with Satan and his demons in hell.
If the God-worshipping Lydia (Acts 16:14) needs God to give her the necessary
faith to believe in Jesus and the Gospel, surely everyone does also!
Similarly, the “anyones” who believe in Jesus in verses such as John 3:16
are the ones whom God has given saving faith!

Father God elects (chooses) and calls whomever He wishes
Jesus says to the elect, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you ….” (John 16:15).
Surely, here is a strong hint that we should investigate this matter further.
Romans chapter 9 is the most famous proponent of God’s election …
“… that the purpose of election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls.
… So then, it is not of him who wills (to be elected, chosen, and called),
nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.” (Romans 9:11-16)
God gives grace to whomever He chooses, but no one deserves grace (unmerited favor)!
God gives justice to whomever He chooses, and everyone deserves justice!
God wishes that all could be saved, but it is not possible because He insists on His justice.
“You love justice and hate evil.” (Hebrews 1”9)
God is not willing that any (of us) should perish, but that all (of us) should repent …
… the “us” referring to His elect, who are promised salvation.
Christians are called to confess and repent of their on-going sins,
and the blood of Jesus will cleanse them of all their unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9).

The reason why Father God chooses some, but not others
Father God chooses to elect some people for His great pleasure.
He chooses to elect some to demonstrate to the whole world
His great love, mercy, grace, etc. (Romans 9:23).
He chooses to elect some to be companions for His Son throughout eternity (Scriptural?).
Those not chosen are given justice, which sadly is what they deserve.

Those whom Father God gives to Jesus are guaranteed salvation
This is all about the unconditional security of the born-again believer.
Multitudes of NT verses are God’s promises of salvation given to His elect.
Surely, those of us who are born again should be continually praising God and
thanking Him for choosing us … and for the Holy Spirit sanctifying us unto holiness
… and for Jesus interceding for us before Father God in heaven.

And I'd bet every Calvinist believes they have been chosen by God, and their kids, spouse, etc...

 

[Cameron143]

And I'd bet every Calvinist believes they have been chosen by God, and their kids, spouse, etc...

Not so. Calvinists spend alot of time in prayer. I realize this is antithetical to many people's view of Calvinists, but it is nonetheless true. Much like David, they pray while prayer can make a difference, and accept God's decisions when they come to pass.

 

[John146]

they pray while prayer can make a difference

What difference can prayer make if God has already determined all things that will come to pass?

 

[Cameron143]

What difference can prayer make if God has already determined all things that will come to pass?

God can ordain prayer? As a means to bring His will to pass?

 

[GWH]

I have not swamped the OP with a lot of Scripture quotations,
but hopefully you will recall the NT verses which confirm the following …

Man is doubly incapable of believing in Jesus and the Gospel
1 – Because of the disobedience (sin) of Adam and Eve,
all humans are born with an inherited sin nature,
and are bent on sinning instead of following God (Romans 3:9-18).
Having a saving faith is against their very nature!
2 - All unsaved humans are captive prisoners of Satan,
and are bent on doing whatever he wants them to do (2 Timothy 2:26).
Jesus came to set the captives of Satan free (Luke 4:18).
Having a saving faith is against our enemy’s plans for them,
which, of course, is spending eternity with Satan and his demons in hell.
If the God-worshipping Lydia (Acts 16:14) needs God to give her the necessary
faith to believe in Jesus and the Gospel, surely everyone does also!
Similarly, the “anyones” who believe in Jesus in verses such as John 3:16
are the ones whom God has given saving faith!

Father God elects (chooses) and calls whomever He wishes
Jesus says to the elect, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you ….” (John 16:15).
Surely, here is a strong hint that we should investigate this matter further.
Romans chapter 9 is the most famous proponent of God’s election …
“… that the purpose of election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls.
… So then, it is not of him who wills (to be elected, chosen, and called),
nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.” (Romans 9:11-16)
God gives grace to whomever He chooses, but no one deserves grace (unmerited favor)!
God gives justice to whomever He chooses, and everyone deserves justice!
God wishes that all could be saved, but it is not possible because He insists on His justice.
“You love justice and hate evil.” (Hebrews 1”9)
God is not willing that any (of us) should perish, but that all (of us) should repent …
… the “us” referring to His elect, who are promised salvation.
Christians are called to confess and repent of their on-going sins,
and the blood of Jesus will cleanse them of all their unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9).

The reason why Father God chooses some, but not others
Father God chooses to elect some people for His great pleasure.
He chooses to elect some to demonstrate to the whole world
His great love, mercy, grace, etc. (Romans 9:23).
He chooses to elect some to be companions for His Son throughout eternity (Scriptural?).
Those not chosen are given justice, which sadly is what they deserve.

Those whom Father God gives to Jesus are guaranteed salvation
This is all about the unconditional security of the born-again believer.
Multitudes of NT verses are God’s promises of salvation given to His elect.
Surely, those of us who are born again should be continually praising God and
thanking Him for choosing us … and for the Holy Spirit sanctifying us unto holiness
… and for Jesus interceding for us before Father God in heaven.

I will focus on your saying that God gives grace to whomever He chooses combined and harmonized with God is not willing that anyone should perish.

I think the key to interpreting these teachings harmoniously is by understanding the "in Christ" of Ephesians 1 to mean that God chooses/elects those who freely respond to His calling by freely accepting Jesus as Christ and Lord. This plan of salvation is what is predestined (EPH 1:4-11)

 

[John146]

God can ordain prayer? As a means to bring His will to pass?

God does indeed ordain prayer, but it's up to man's free will to choose to pray. Can man's prayer cause God to do something, that in the normal process of human history, would not have happened, but because man prayed, God caused something to happen?

 

[homwardbound]

And I'd bet every Calvinist believes they have been chosen by God, and their kids, spouse, etc...

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

Does God choose all to either believe God or not?

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• God's will
  God's choice is based on his will, which is beyond human understanding. God's purposes are hidden, and he makes decisions without outside counsel or reason.
  
  
  
• I believe God is righteous, fair and complete, No sin in God at all, none!
• Therefore to say God does not or has not called everyone to choose to believe God or not, makes God unfair and unrighteous.
• God is the only one good, still to this very day presently. Jesus is Won (One) with Father, the only way to become new for us the people is through his done work of Son as risen once for everyone to get given new life to abide in willingly, not having to do it or else anymore flesh attitudes, actually be new, willingly doing what is right over wrong, automatically, having the knowledge of truth, in what is good and what is not good first born in everyone in need for God's Spirit second birth. Then new or not new, either believe God and ask God or not. Wanting the new Heart offered in Ezekiel 36:26
• Thanksgiving and praise are in order of Psalm 103:12 fulfilled in Son, for us all to be new, born again from Father in risen Son too!

 

[Cameron143]

God does indeed ordain prayer, but it's up to man's free will to choose to pray. Can man's prayer cause God to do something, that in the normal process of human history, would not have happened, but because man prayed, God caused something to happen?

Man's will is subject his nature. And God is sovereign, so His will always comes to pass. And every prayer that is prayed acknowledging this is answered exactly as it is prayed...not my will, but Thine be done. Every other prayer is the prayer's desire. James tells us that this is praying for things to consume according to our desires. Why would God answer such prayers?
Further, the way to obtain the desires of our hearts is by delighting ourselves in the Lord. There is already a prescribed means to receive our desires. Hence, prayer is another means of God's will being done on earth as it is heaven.

 

[homwardbound]

God can ordain prayer? As a means to bring His will to pass?

Remembering this:
there is Prayer and Prayers of those that ask amiss to spend it on there own pleasures and not care for others in that process
God has left all up to a reprobate mindset. To decide to either believe, trust God Father in risen Son Jesus or not
That is all that has been left, is to consciously decide and stop playing god, in my honest sight, Thank you
Pride and quilt, I see God hates.

 

[dougcho]

And I'd bet every Calvinist believes they have been chosen by God, and their kids, spouse, etc...

OK, how about commenting on the election Scriptures?

 

[John146]

And God is sovereign, so His will always comes to pass.

Sure about this statement? Do all Christians, in everything, give thanks? Nope. God's word will come to pass, but God's will? Is sin part of God's will for your life? Do you sin?

1 Thessalonians 5:
15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

 

[John146]

OK, how about commenting on the election Scriptures?

Which one? The context of election is never salvation, but service. I've been around this circle of nonsense too many times.