I highly doubt Calvinist even know what "moral ability" even means.
Understanding God’s election
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I highly doubt Calvinist even know what "moral ability" even means.
You have yet to produce a single scripture to back this up where saving faith is concerned.
As well, it also demonstrates you do not really understand what "faith" is.
You have yet to produce a single Scripture addressing the natural men employing free will to believe.
Nobody has. And we all know the reason why is because there are exactly zero Scriptures that say
anything that even remotely resembles the natural man being able to engender faith in himself.
But the opposite is rife throughout Scripture, that being that the natural is a slave to sin and a lover of darkness,
hostile to God and taken captive to the will of the devil, incapable of obeying and refusing to come into the light.
The natural man is unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God and the gospel message is foolishness
to him. His incurably wicked heart is not good ground for growing the Seed of God's Word into faith. These things
are all explicitly stated in the Bible but you reject them all in favour of your false doctrine of "free will."
That's another thing that gets lost. It is totally impersonal.
And Jesus Christ is very personal.
15 Now when they had finished breakfast, Jesus *said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He *said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He *said to him, “Tend My lambs.” 16 He *said to him again, a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He *said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He *said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.” 17 He *said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was hurt because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus *said to him, “Tend My sheep.
2 Cor 6:2~~
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
"Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." Jesus' words, John 3 verse 3 If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Romans 8 verse 9 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a new creation. Galatians 6 verse 15 The spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15 verse 46
Where does faith come from according to scripture? It does originate in man, but its source is other than man. Faith comes by what? Hearing comes by what?
The word...by...is a major clue.
Or stated another way.... "the non-elect can never be regenerated."
This is the doctrine some defend.
Nope, .. you are trying to make "hearing" a surface level function when in the Greek it has a much deeper meaning.
Another odd reply given that he is here has repeatedly said God is unfair to reveal Himself in any way differently from one person to the next. Oh, it matters not that the Bible is full of instances of God revealing Himself differently from one person to the next. Very odd indeed.
I hear you. I don't think you hear me. Where does faith come from?
Faith comes by what?
Hearing comes by what?
While faith does originate in man, man is not the source of its origination. The source that creates faith is the Holy Spirit employing the word of God.
Jesus said not everyone hears. Your claim says they do.
So we are left with a choice: believe Jesus, or believe you.
I know Who I believe. It sure as heck ain't you.
Agree, Calvinism has to censor the personal aspect of the Gospel when it is preached since they do not know who is of the elect.
Hardly. Hearing is spiritual activity performed by the Holy Spirit. It is what Jesus did on the road to Emmaus when He opened the understanding of those 2 men. That is biblical hearing.
Contradict yourself much? How many times have you told us God is unfair if He reveals Himself differently from one person to the next?
They want to believe that the Seed of God's Word can take fruitful root in the incurably wicked uncircumcised heart of the natural man.
Even though that would directly contradict what Jesus said.
But directly contradicting what Jesus said is not a problem for the free will crowd.
They have years of practice doing it. They love contradicting Jesus.
Eisegesis again and again.
He veiled His identity not the Gospel.
No matter what you say, the doctrine you promote is a stain on the character of God who leaves people in their sin because He denies them the ability to believe the Gospel message.
And no this is not to His glory, and it also not His sovereign will .... Sovereign does not mean all controlling.