Understanding God’s election

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HeIsHere said:
At least a more interesting discussion than the un-biblical lottery system of salvation.
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Sounds like more of your ignorance speech.

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Acts 17:26-27 ~ From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands. God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us.:)
 
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Genez said:
So that tells us what irresistible grace is???! :unsure:

Sovereignty means He chose to allow for certain believers to believe irrational ideas after they were saved, and still keeps them saved because of having believed in Jesus Christ.
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You should find a Bible Dictionary. I believe it will help you greatly.

The Scriptures work in harmony to deliver an eternal truth,an eternal message.
 
Magenta said:
Some don't like that... and complain bitterly about it...
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God is not unrighteous, nor irrational.

Irresistible grace is both.
TULIP was not from Calvin, but came after his death from the likes of one of his disciples, Theodore Beza.
 
MeowFlower said:
You should find a Bible Dictionary. I believe it will help you greatly.

The Scriptures work in harmony to deliver an eternal truth,an eternal message.
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You can't tell me, but swear by it.
Don't believe what you do not understand.
 
@rogerg

If one has to accept grace in order to obtain it, then it isn't grace.
For grace to be grace, by definition, it must be given
to those who don't want it and/or aren't seeking it.
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Rom 10 20

But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

Isa 65:1

I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

God has given the elect Gentiles Grace to seek Him, Faith to believe in Christ
 
ocean said:
and created all those other people to burn even thought the Bible states the lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels

right
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Angels also means messengers, which include ministers /men 2Cor 11:13-15

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The false prophet of Rev 19 20

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The false prophet is not just one man but all the false gospels and its messengers , the second beast of Rev 13:11-13

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

So I believe these were included in Matt 25:41 as Angels/Messengers
 
Genez said:
That does not explain irresistible grace.
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Maybe the problem is with your understanding? You apparently don't know what it is
given that you asked the question, yet you believe yourself competant to judge what it isn't?
Really? Where is it wrong and what is your explanation of it.
 
brightfame52 said:
God has given the elect Gentiles Grace to seek Him, Faith to believe in Christ
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Not sure if this is what you're saying, but I believe those being the traits that come as fruit of the Holy Spirit, after having become saved/born again, and pertain to all who become saved - the elect, whether Jew or Gentile - as all become saved in the same manner.
 
I vote to change this thread title to "MISUNDERSTANDING GOD'S ELECTION".
 
rogerg said:
Not sure if this is what you're saying, but I believe those being the traits that come as fruit of the Holy Spirit, after having become saved/born again, and pertain to all who become saved - the elect, whether Jew or Gentile - as all become saved in the same manner.
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Yes the Grace is regenerating grace, spiritual life ! They seek God because God has first sought them !
 
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cv5 said:
What is it about "I WILL" that is making you froth at the mouth?
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What is it about God's sovereign will that drives you mad?

Also, you're missing the central point to the Prodigal Parable. And the central point is not how people are saved per se, but rather that God welcomes and accepts repentant sinners, a truth which the self-righteous Pharisees and teachers of the law rejected (Lk 15:1). Therefore, Jesus proceeds to give the people, in the hearing of his detractors, three parables pertaining to things lost and repentance. If you think Jesus is teaching that the Prodigal has this awesome power of "free" will, then you miss the central point of the parable entirely since you ignore the context in which these parable are found. Moreover, your interpretation contradicts other scriptures that repentance is a gift that God gives to his covenant people (Rom 2:4; Act 5:31; 11:18; 2Tim 2:25-26). And these are other closely related passages: Php 2:13; Jn 6:44.
 
cv5 said:
I vote to change this thread title to "MISUNDERSTANDING GOD'S ELECTION".
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Well then...since you misunderstand the doctrine of election, stick around and pay close attention to those who do understand. Perhaps it would please God to open your mind and heart to the truth.
 
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@Rufus

Also, you're missing the central point to the Prodigal Parable. And the central point is not how people are saved per se, but rather that God welcomes and accepts repentant sinners,
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I would disagree, I believe it is about salvation and how God saves His fallen sinful elect. They are given repentance to return to God by the saving work of Christ. All of them, the lost sheep, coin and son pictures the recovery of the elect !
 
Rufus said:
What is it about God's sovereign will that drives you mad?

Also, you're missing the central point to the Prodigal Parable. And the central point is not how people are saved per se, but rather that God welcomes and accepts repentant sinners, a truth which the self-righteous Pharisees and teachers of the law rejected (Lk 15:1).
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Oh no. I did not miss the cental point. Or any other point for that matter.
In fact, that was my emphasis, so I highlighted portions of the text IN BOLD for your approbation.

But I guess you missed the point in my doing so.
 
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