Understanding God’s election

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The...no respecter of persons...is not in reference to anyone's behavior, but to...the Jew first, and also the Gentile...
In other words, there is no difference in the way God deals with any division of people. All will be dealt with in the same fashion.
The warning itself is what it is, and it applies to all equally.
Right it’s part of what he’s saying beforehand bro that’s why it says “ for Godnis no respector of or persons “ your right it means he doesn’t have favorites he’s going to deal with everyone the exact same way paul just told us how before that the two points are connected
 

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Yeah we should definately not read what Paul was saying lol we should pluck it from context,,,, ignore what he was saying ….and then explain why it’s not really what he said …..gotcha !

“But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

yep totally un connected i probably need you to write explainations for every verse so i don’t just learn what Paul’s saying and believe that and end up agreeing with the same thing Jesus and the other apostles said lol

nothing to do with anyones behavior brother got it 😂😂. Sorry , sorry I think this part threw me off…. I don’t know how I missed that it’s not about anyone’s behavior ….

you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.


But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”

how could I think such unbiblical things I guess 😂😂I don’t know . I better stop studying tbat darn Bible I’m learning all the wrong things because I don’t speak ancient Greek hahahaha wow this place is a doozy
It's 2 different things. One deals with God not being a respecter of persons, and the other the warning of Paul as to how the Christian should live.
Not being a respecter of persons is ancillary to the warning Paul is giving and one would need to do a broader study to fully understand its meaning. As far as the warning goes, Paul is often found exhorting those in the faith to live in particular fashions. The book of Hebrews alone contains 5 such warnings to remain faithful in the ways of God in the face of persecution. It is the nature of of sheep to stray, and some respond only to fear and not compassion, as written by Jude...22-23.
 
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It's 2 different things. One deals with God not being a respecter of persons, and the other the warning of Paul as to how the Christian should live.
Not being a respecter of persons is ancillary to the warning Paul is giving and one would need to do a broader study to fully understand its meaning. As far as the warning goes, Paul is often found exhorting those in the faith to live in particular fashions. The book of Hebrews alone contains 5 such warnings to remain faithful in the ways of God in the face of persecution. It is the nature of of sheep to stray, and some respond only to fear and not compassion, as written by Jude...22-23.
“It's 2 different things. One deals with God not being a respecter of persons, and the other the warning of Paul as to how the Christian should live. “

its only two things if you make it that dontou. Price those marks between the statements ? : and this ; ? Look into what those mean

aid you try to read one half of a sentance at a time like that it won’t ever make sense

you might even look further ahead in the context and realize how the gospel ties to what he’s saying and how valuable it is…

Look here how this fits into what Paul’s saying in Roman’s 2

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now for the sake of our talk bro imagine everything isn’t predestined and no one’s chosen but just look at what Paul’s saying now in line with the judges words in the gospel

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile > : < ( this connects it to what he’s saying part of the same statement he’s just made about those who do good ) for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1, 3-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But do you understand what he’s saying more now ? He’s speaking to sinners in the church who are judging and condemning other sinners telling them they need to repent because they too are going to be judged and if they continue and won’t repent they’re going to condemn themselves .

otnosnt aboit being perfect in our works it’s about believing the thing Jesus said in the gospel and trusting him for when we face judgement . James agrees also in a different wording

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For ( this connects what he’s about to say to what he’s saying ) he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In other words james and Paul are both preaching this same principle regarding judgement

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭K

Paul teaches it more here


“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We are all going to be judged by our deeds Jesus taught us that because we’re all already sinners and imperfect , of we are merciful to those who offend us and sin against us he will be merciful to us come this day

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aim Roman’s 2 there brother Paul isnt preaching perfect works and deeds he’s teaching the church the gospel principles such as “judge not others and you will not be judged “ be merciful and you will receive mercy forgive and you will be forgiven don’t condemn others and you won’t be condemned “……said the lord and judge

It’s way better to read what they are saying and learn from it . “ Grace “ is reciprocal God has been gracious to us and now he commands tbat we be gracious to others in his name oir judgement depends on how we treat others

because we’re all going to have to answer for our deeds we need to act in the law that gives freedom the law of Christ that’s based upon mercy and truth