Well, I am sorry you feel that way but that's your opinion and I really don't care = Believe it or Not!...
I also find your objection and argument very philosophical in nature and very moot - relevant to the thrust of the intended message.
Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
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Well, I am sorry you feel that way but that's your opinion and I really don't care = Believe it or Not!...
I also find your objection and argument very philosophical in nature and very moot - relevant to the thrust of the intended message.
Then, make a refutation contrary to my post supported by Scripture, Science or History. At this time, your objection has no merit.
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You were not their. Your whole theory is based on what you believe, And your theory is not really supported by scripture. And only supported by science depending on how you view scientific methods.
So at this time, YOUR THEORY has no more merit really than anyone elses theory.
Get over yourself!
2Pillars said:
Sorry brethren, but again, there was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day during God's Creative Days. The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Genesis 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture in sooooooo many ways.
True. 100% correct. Those who state that there was a 24 hour days in Genesis 1 are twisting the Word of God.
On the seventh Day God - the Word - rested from all His work. God is Spirit, to say that He rested 24 hours day is
very very wrong, this has nothing to do with the Word of God - Genesis 1, and others Scriptures- it is an invention of men.
God blessed the seventh Day because on it He rested from all the work of creating that He had done - through JESUS. All
things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. The seventh Day is now, it is the seventh
and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ (Revelation 20:v.6), the millennium of God's Kingdom, and the Millennium
of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ (2Pe.3:v.7-8), and the Millennium of Vengeance(2 Thessalonians 1:7-12)
2Pillars said:
The 7th Day has no End.
No true, no true. What has no End is the Eternity, after the End of this seventh and last Millennium, the Millennium of Christ,
that is the seventh and last Day. In the End of this seventh and last Day, the Millennium of Christ, Satan will be set free from
his prison, and then will fulfil literally what is written bellow: Revelation 2):v.7-15
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Be prepared. Take care.
So to the King — Eternal, Imperishable and Invisible, the only God there is — let there be Honor and Glory for ever and ever! Amen.
Sorry brethren, but again, there was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day during God's Creative Days. The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Genesis 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture in sooooooo many ways.
True. 100% correct. Those who state that there was a 24 hour days in Genesis 1 are twisting the Word of God.
On the seventh Day God - the Word - rested from all His work. God is Spirit, to say that He rested 24 hours day is
very very wrong, this has nothing to do with the Word of God - Genesis 1, and others Scriptures- it is an invention of men.
God blessed the seventh Day because on it He rested from all the work of creating that He had done - through JESUS. All
things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. The seventh Day is now, it is the seventh
and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ (Revelation 20:v.6), the millennium of God's Kingdom, and the Millennium
of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ (2Pe.3:v.7-8), and the Millennium of Vengeance(2 Thessalonians 1:7-12)
2Pillars said:
The 7th Day has no End.
No true, no true. What has no End is the Eternity, after the End of this seventh and last Millennium, the Millennium of Christ,
that is the seventh and last Day. In the End of this seventh and last Day, the Millennium of Christ, Satan will be set free from
his prison, and then will fulfil literally what is written bellow: Revelation 2):v.7-15
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Be prepared. Take care.
So to the King — Eternal, Imperishable and Invisible, the only God there is — let there be Honor and Glory for ever and ever! Amen.
Your spirit is a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things that be of God, but merely those that be of men or human
concerns.” Read Matthew 16:v.23
What prevails is the Word of God. God is a title. The Word is God and prevails for ever and ever.
I have read the posts you gave me before. Your are mixing sience with scripture and create a new thing. There is no single scripture proof for your timetable. I mean to read out of the text and not reading into the text.
And you treat your view as truth. Alone how you explaine the day is not biblical and how the Lord use the days.
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Ex 20:
Exodus 20: 8-11
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
We have scriptural proof of what you claim was made up by men
1. God RESTED on the 7th day (not is still resting)
2. He created heavens and earth in 6 days
So, we are to WORK for 6 days as he worked for 6 days, and rest on the 7th as he rested on the seventh
How long was the day in Moses day? The same length as the day in Gen 1.. If not, God gave moses a tainted example of work and rest which was not true.
Again, evening and the morning, , You can’t get past that,
Is that right, not a single Scripture proof for my time table, heh???? Come on man, think again....
Have you read the below? See if you can REFUTE and EXPLAIN each verse --contrary to what I have posted with regards to the prophesy of Gen. 1:28-31 -- which tells you that we are still living at Gen. 1:27 at this present time -TODAY..........
I will be waiting.
Quote: 2Pillars >>>>>Sorry brethren, but again, there was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day during God's Creative Days. The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Genesis 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture in sooooooo many ways. The 7th Day has no End.
Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. ALL of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to One of the 7 Days of Creation, shown in it's Entirety. It opens up many of the mysteries which ancient men traditional view could NOT have understood and it reveals the Literal God because it shows us the FUTURE since No man of the time could have told us of the events at the end of the present 6th Day, which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns to this planet.
Therefore, Today, we are still living at Gen 1:27 as we speak Today, and the rest of Genesis 1:28-31 takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.
Below, are few more Biblical Proof Texts for your perusal and serious study:
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This is a Future event which will take place in the thousand year reign of Christ on this Earth. At that time, Humans will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living thing that moves on this Earth. That includes Mosquitoes, Viruses and Sharks. It is something which has NEVER taken place on Planet Earth Before, as the next verses show:
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, AND EVERY TREE, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Again this is a prophecy of the Future since we will NOT eat from the Tree of Life until All Christians are in the New Heaven. Rev 22:14
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Another future happening, except the end of this prophecy is clearly shown in:
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
When you read the verse in context, this event happens AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at Armageddon. Isa 11:1-7
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Finally God's Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven is complete and Earth is Safe for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will the God, Who sees the end from the beginning, says, It is very good, at the end of the present 6th Day of labor in which God is making a perfect heaven and filling it with His Immortal Children, called Christians. <<<<<END QUOTE
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"Death" is not a synonym for "darkness"; it is your interpretation. Darkness is the absence of light, death is the removal of life.
You've interpreted "things which do appear" to mean "matter". That's fallacious. Energy may or may not be visible to the human eye. Because energy and matter are "two sides of the same coin" we can take the language in Genesis 1 to mean that God created both in the beginning.
The "big bang" is not science, but merely a set of hypothetical models that violate the most fundamental and well-attested scientific observations, the second law of thermodynamics.
Do you always demonize people who disagree with you? Are you capable of responding respectfully?
A nice thought, but really I dont see a scripture proof. You are putting verses out of the context. And prommisses which were given to the folk of Israel you uses for christians.
Where people in the bible are using the days of creation as you do? All people which refer the 7 days in the O T and NT useing them as wordly 7 earthdays. Now we know they have 24h. And are limited by getting dark and bright. Have you ever been in Israel? I have been there. The sunset is very short. And so the sunrise.
Btw you will find in heaven also Abraham, Mose and Rahab, they werent christians.
About Genesis 1, 28-30 this all is already fulfilled. After the flood God gives the allowness also to eat flesh.
But you are right, in millenium will be fullfilled what is written in Isa 11,7.
Quote: 2Pillars >>>>>In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Again, God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Once again, here’s what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.
God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (like Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.
The emergence of Light (a physical energy matter) was when YHWH, the Son of God, came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said… Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3)… before anything is made that was made… before the world was.
Again, WHERE did this invisible energy come from?.
Based on the cited Scripture below - which I couldn't NOT argue about - is the answer for it tells us where God lives:
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Then, on the 3rd Day, Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.
That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.
Our God is an Awesome God.<<<<<< End of Quote
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Of course…. Death" is always synonym to Darkness - Biblically speaking (see example below)….Next time, please, do NOT put words in my mouth with incomplete thought of EDITED QUOTE and argue about it fallaciously.
Job 12:22 He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.
Job 15:23 He wandereth abroad for bread, saying, Where is it? he knoweth that the day of darkness is ready at his hand.
So, what’s your point or objection? Did I not posted that “energy and matter are two sides of the same coin" ?... see my quotes below….
God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void……. THEN on the 3rd Day, Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.
So, what is your point or objection exactly relative to the entire context of my post? .... That spacetime is not a well-attested scientific observation theory?
Come now. do NOT waste our time anymore with philosophical spin of EDITED quotes -- for fallacious argument!
Again, God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Once again, here’s what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.
God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (like Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.
The emergence of Light (a physical energy matter) was when YHWH, the Son of God, came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said… Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3)… before anything is made that was made… before the world was.
Again, WHERE did this invisible energy come from?.
Based on the cited Scripture below - which I couldn't NOT argue about - is the answer for it tells us where God lives:
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Then, on the 3rd Day, Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.
That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.
Our God is an Awesome God.<<<<<< End of Quote
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Of course…. Death" is always synonym to Darkness - Biblically speaking (see example below)….Next time, please, do NOT put words in my mouth with incomplete thought of EDITED QUOTE and argue about it fallaciously.
Job 12:22 He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.
Job 15:23 He wandereth abroad for bread, saying, Where is it? he knoweth that the day of darkness is ready at his hand.
So, what’s your point or objection? Did I not posted that “energy and matter are two sides of the same coin" ?... see my quotes below….
God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void……. THEN on the 3rd Day, Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.
So, what is your point or objection exactly relative to the entire context of my post? .... That spacetime is not a well-attested scientific observation theory?
Come now. do NOT waste our time anymore with philosophical spin of EDITED quotes -- for fallacious argument!
Satan is an expert authority on scripture. The thing is though is he certainly does believe but he just doesn't care.
Are you saying that Human have already dominion over Mosquitoes, Viruses and Sharks in ref. To Gen 1:28? IF so, PROVE IT!!!
Are you also saying that Humans have already been given accessalready been eating the fruit of the Tree of Life, Gen 1:29 …as told in Rev. 22:14…PROVE IT!!!
So, IF you agree and I am right that Gen 1:30 will happem only when Isa 11:7 is fulfilled during the millennium, Then, you are admitting that Gen 1:30 has not happen and still in the future event, correct?!
So, are you saying that you are mistaken and your objection to my posting of the Biblical Time set forth in Genesis 1&2 is correct and is now acceptable to you?
You know, you can NOT have it both ways... since, both verses or events are in the same time frame during this present 6th Creative Day of Genesis.
Come on now, my friend, think more carefully next time you object to my posts! Have a good day.
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