Understanding Gen 2:7

[laymen]

Before I study I always pray,//// Remember to pray.

In order to keep this study Christ centered I will use Luke 23 and work up to Gen 2:7

Understanding Death and life and resurrection of Jesus are basic pillars of Faith
Jesus dyed for us on the cross for our sin's only to be resurrected from the dead and now is in heaven.


Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
KJV Lk 23:46).



The NKJV Say's it best here "....Having said this He breathed His last."



Ps 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.King James Version.

(SDABC)
That is, consciousness ceases. The Bible lends no support to the popular doctrine of a conscious state between death and the resurrection and furthermore emphatically refutes such a teaching (see Ps. 115:17; Eccl. 9:5).

Jesus Literally, “He expired,” that is, “he breathed out.” (SDABC)


Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
KJV Lk 23:46).


KJV Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?


The latter part of the passage speaks specifically of the death and burial of Christ. It was this humiliation of Christ that led to His exaltation (Phil. 2:5–11). <<Jesus was fully man and God and fully dyed as a man.

The only reason Jesus was able to come back to life is because he followed the Law completely. <<lack of a better word. But he had to die for our sin or it would not be complete.



Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Ge 2:7). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.





Breathe of Life gave Adam and Eve Life but the Tree of Life sustained Adam and Eve. We all are given this breathe, good and bad..

Same breath Jesus gave up. Not a dichotomy of the consciousness/ Spirit.

The Breath of life goes back to God not your consciousness/a ghost like Spirit.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Breathe of Life gave Adam and Eve Life but the Tree of Life sustained Adam and Eve.

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

When the Bible says that God breathed into Adam the breath of life, it is another way of stating that it is God who gives life to human beings. Clay was animated by God to become human, and when human beings die, their bodies return to dust. However the soul and spirit are imperishable. They either go to Heaven or to Hades (if not in Christ). Ever since Adam, life is given to humans at conception (contrary to the fiction created by the US Supreme Court).

 

[laymen]

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

When the Bible says that God breathed into Adam the breath of life, it is another way of stating that it is God who gives life to human beings. . Ever since Adam, life is given to humans at conception (contrary to the fiction created by the US Supreme Court).

I not sure what the US supreme court has to do with anything>?? You just said the same thing I did underlined part^^

[QUOTE="laymen, post: 4432254, member: 193365"]Breathe of Life gave Adam and Eve Life but the Tree of Life sustained Adam and Eve[/QUOTE]


And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Ge 3:22). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.


This is why the tree needed to be protected. ^^^

 

[laymen]

Gen 2:17 "Man became a living soul"

The body and the breath of life together make a living soul. No spirit or consciousness lives on apart from the body. They must both be together to make a "living soul"

 

[UnoiAmarah]

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

You sure it wasn't the serpent that was sent forth from the Garden?

Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Gen 3:23-24

 

[Corban]

Scripture affirms, over and over, that man is made of three parts - body, spirit and soul. In 1st Thessalonians 5:23 a living, or "whole" man is spirit, soul and body. These different organs are shown to have different functions, and at death, especially Christ's death, go to different places. Our Lord's BODY was placed in a tomb or sepulcher ON the surface of the earth. His spirit returned to God who gave it (Eccli.3:21, 12:7), which is why He gave UP the spirit. And His SOUL went to the heart of the earth (Matt.12:40).

In resurrection, the "soul" returns to the body (1st Ki.17:21-22). So does the spirit (Lk.8:55).

The teaching that there is no consciousness in the grave is correct. But "grave" pertains to the BODY. The Old Testament presents man as keeper of the earth and subject of God. His duty and inheritance are to the earth (Gen.1:26-28). So, IN REGARD to being born, eating, fighting, praying toward a Temple made with hands and subduing the earth, all this ceases at death. It has all to do with the Body. God dwelt in a certain PLACE, so the body is first in view.

But the New Testament is different. God has deigned now to live IN man. But God is a holy God and does not dwell in sullied flesh. Nor is the soul an appropriate vessel. Just like the Tabernacle and Temple, God dwells in the inmost part - the human spirit. The human spirit is God's breath, made for God Who is a Spirit, which must undergo a new and additional birth by God's Spirit (Jn.3:6), is the meeting of God and the man (Jn.4:24) and in his deepest intimacy with God, is ONE SPIRIT with the Lord (1st Cor.6:17).

However, on examining Genesis 2:7, as the Title suggests, we find that the MAIN part of the man is SOUL. And from that moment on scripture, both Old and New Testaments, regard man as a SOUL (e.g. Gen.12:5, 17:14; Act.2:42, etc. etc.). The most documented Man of the bible is Jesus. He also has preeminence in ALL things, so nobody could go through a process that He was not first in. At the well documented death of our Lord Jesus (i) gave UP His spirit. According to James 2:26, this was the point of death. His BODY hungthere a while longer and was then placed in the Tomb. But sometime before he died, our Lord Jesus promised a repentant thief that they would be together THAT DAY (by sunset), NOT in the Tomb, but in Paradise.

Matthew 12:40 says that our Lord would three days in the heart of the earth, Ephesians 4:9 confirms this in He "FIRST descended". And that He stayed there is confirmed by John 20:17 because even after His resurrection He had NOT "YET" ascended to the Father. Acts 2:28-34 seals the matter and says that our Lord's SOUL was in Hades but that it had been released from Hades. Added to this, the promise to the thief "you will be with me in Paradise" IMPLIES consciousness. If there was no consciousness in Hades, then how could the thief appreciate being with the Lord? But all that becomes secondary in the light of Luke Chapter 15.

A dispute rages over Luke 15. Some say the narrative on the rich man and Lazarus is a Parable. Some say it is a true story. The solution should be clear to all. If our Lord Jesus, source of all truth, and being "the Truth", said that Abraham, a well known man, did or said something that he did do or say, He, Jesus would be found a liar. Perish the thought. The narrative of the rich man and Lazarus is a true account of certain events. And this settles, forever, the condition of a man in Hades. The rich man could talk, feel, calculate, decide and understand while in Hades. And so could Abraham. And a man names Lazarus, who was poor and sickly in life, could be "comforted" in death. Lastly, Paul, "caught AWAY" (lit. Gk.) to Paradise, "... heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter" (2nd Corinthians 12:4). That is, th speaking in Hades is real and understandable to a living human.

To summarize;

1. The silence and cessation of all activities of a dead man PERTAIN TO THE BODY
2. The spirit of man, which is his vitality (Jas.2:26), returns to God at death, and is given back at resurrection
3. The SOUL of man IS the Man, and is fully animated in life and in death, on the earth, under the earth, or, in heaven if it goes there as a whole man

 

[p_rehbein]

1 Corinthians, Chapter 15:

35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

All I need to know about all of this

 

[Nehemiah6]

You sure it wasn't the serpent that was sent forth from the Garden?

Let me know when you find a snake which is also a farmer.

 

[laymen]

Scripture affirms, over and over, that man is made of three parts - body, spirit and soul. In 1st Thessalonians 5:23 a living, or "whole" man is spirit, soul and body. These different organs are shown to have different functions, and at death, especially Christ's death, go to different places. Our Lord's BODY was placed in a tomb or sepulcher ON the surface of the earth. His spirit returned to God who gave it (Eccli.3:21, 12:7), which is why He gave UP the spirit. And His SOUL went to the heart of the earth (Matt.12:40).

In resurrection, the "soul" returns to the body (1st Ki.17:21-22). So does the spirit (Lk.8:55).

The teaching that there is no consciousness in the grave is correct. But "grave" pertains to the BODY. The Old Testament presents man as keeper of the earth and subject of God. His duty and inheritance are to the earth (Gen.1:26-28). So, IN REGARD to being born, eating, fighting, praying toward a Temple made with hands and subduing the earth, all this ceases at death. It has all to do with the Body. God dwelt in a certain PLACE, so the body is first in view.

But the New Testament is different. God has deigned now to live IN man. But God is a holy God and does not dwell in sullied flesh. Nor is the soul an appropriate vessel. Just like the Tabernacle and Temple, God dwells in the inmost part - the human spirit. The human spirit is God's breath, made for God Who is a Spirit, which must undergo a new and additional birth by God's Spirit (Jn.3:6), is the meeting of God and the man (Jn.4:24) and in his deepest intimacy with God, is ONE SPIRIT with the Lord (1st Cor.6:17).

However, on examining Genesis 2:7, as the Title suggests, we find that the MAIN part of the man is SOUL. And from that moment on scripture, both Old and New Testaments, regard man as a SOUL (e.g. Gen.12:5, 17:14; Act.2:42, etc. etc.). The most documented Man of the bible is Jesus. He also has preeminence in ALL things, so nobody could go through a process that He was not first in. At the well documented death of our Lord Jesus (i) gave UP His spirit. According to James 2:26, this was the point of death. His BODY hungthere a while longer and was then placed in the Tomb. But sometime before he died, our Lord Jesus promised a repentant thief that they would be together THAT DAY (by sunset), NOT in the Tomb, but in Paradise.

Matthew 12:40 says that our Lord would three days in the heart of the earth, Ephesians 4:9 confirms this in He "FIRST descended". And that He stayed there is confirmed by John 20:17 because even after His resurrection He had NOT "YET" ascended to the Father. Acts 2:28-34 seals the matter and says that our Lord's SOUL was in Hades but that it had been released from Hades. Added to this, the promise to the thief "you will be with me in Paradise" IMPLIES consciousness. If there was no consciousness in Hades, then how could the thief appreciate being with the Lord? But all that becomes secondary in the light of Luke Chapter 15.

A dispute rages over Luke 15. Some say the narrative on the rich man and Lazarus is a Parable. Some say it is a true story. The solution should be clear to all. If our Lord Jesus, source of all truth, and being "the Truth", said that Abraham, a well known man, did or said something that he did do or say, He, Jesus would be found a liar. Perish the thought. The narrative of the rich man and Lazarus is a true account of certain events. And this settles, forever, the condition of a man in Hades. The rich man could talk, feel, calculate, decide and understand while in Hades. And so could Abraham. And a man names Lazarus, who was poor and sickly in life, could be "comforted" in death. Lastly, Paul, "caught AWAY" (lit. Gk.) to Paradise, "... heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter" (2nd Corinthians 12:4). That is, th speaking in Hades is real and understandable to a living human.

To summarize;

1. The silence and cessation of all activities of a dead man PERTAIN TO THE BODY
2. The spirit of man, which is his vitality (Jas.2:26), returns to God at death, and is given back at resurrection
3. The SOUL of man IS the Man, and is fully animated in life and in death, on the earth, under the earth, or, in heaven if it goes there as a whole man

luke 23:43 It should be noted that the comma between the words “thee” and “to day” was inserted by the translators. The original Greek text, which had neither punctuation nor word division. reads: amēn soi legō sēmeron met emou esē en tō paradeisō, literally, “truly to-you I-say today with-me you-will-be in the paradise.” The adverb sēmeron, “today,” stands between the two verbs legō, “I-say,” and esē, “you-will-be,” and might properly apply to either. Its position immediately following the verb legō, “I-say,” may imply a closer grammatical relationship to it than to the verb esē, “you will be.”
Obviously, in placing the comma before the word “to day,” the translators were guided by the unscriptural concept that the dead enter into their rewards at death. But, as set forth above, it is manifest that neither Jesus nor the writers of the NT believed or taught such a doctrine. To place the comma before the word “today” thus makes Christ contradict what He and the various NT writers have plainly stated elsewhere. Accordingly, the Scriptures themselves require that the comma be placed after the word “to day,” not before it. See on John 4:35, 36.
Thus what Christ actually said to the thief on the cross was: “Verily I say unto thee today, Thou shalt be with me in paradise.” The great question the thief was pondering at the moment was not when he would reach paradise, but whether he would get there at all. Jesus’ simple statement assures him that, however undeserving he may be and however impossible it may appear for Jesus—dying the death of a condemned criminal—to make good such a promise, the thief will most assuredly be there. In fact, it was Jesus’ presence on the cross that made such a hope possible.(SDABC)

 

[tourist]

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

I believe that they were banished because if they ate of the tree of life they would have eternal life under their current sinful state. God placed an angel guarding the entrance of the Garden of Eden to prevent anyone from eating of it at the inappropriate time, including Adam and Eve. I agree with your estimation.

 

[laymen]

I believe that they were banished because if they ate of the tree of life they would have eternal life under their current sinful state. God placed an angel guarding the entrance of the Garden of Eden to prevent anyone from eating of it at the inappropriate time, including Adam and Eve. I agree with your estimation.

I not sure what the US supreme court has to do with anything>?? You just said the same thing I did underlined part^^

[QUOTE="laymen, post: 4432254, member: 193365"]Breathe of Life gave Adam and Eve Life but the Tree of Life sustained Adam and Eve

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Ge 3:22). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.


This is why the tree needed to be protected. ^^^[/QUOTE]

 

[Corban]

luke 23:43 It should be noted that the comma between the words “thee” and “to day” was inserted by the translators. The original Greek text, which had neither punctuation nor word division. reads: amēn soi legō sēmeron met emou esē en tō paradeisō, literally, “truly to-you I-say today with-me you-will-be in the paradise.” The adverb sēmeron, “today,” stands between the two verbs legō, “I-say,” and esē, “you-will-be,” and might properly apply to either. Its position immediately following the verb legō, “I-say,” may imply a closer grammatical relationship to it than to the verb esē, “you will be.”
Obviously, in placing the comma before the word “to day,” the translators were guided by the unscriptural concept that the dead enter into their rewards at death. But, as set forth above, it is manifest that neither Jesus nor the writers of the NT believed or taught such a doctrine. To place the comma before the word “today” thus makes Christ contradict what He and the various NT writers have plainly stated elsewhere. Accordingly, the Scriptures themselves require that the comma be placed after the word “to day,” not before it. See on John 4:35, 36.
Thus what Christ actually said to the thief on the cross was: “Verily I say unto thee today, Thou shalt be with me in paradise.” The great question the thief was pondering at the moment was not when he would reach paradise, but whether he would get there at all. Jesus’ simple statement assures him that, however undeserving he may be and however impossible it may appear for Jesus—dying the death of a condemned criminal—to make good such a promise, the thief will most assuredly be there. In fact, it was Jesus’ presence on the cross that made such a hope possible.(SDABC)

I appreciate your reply, and I am familiar with the discussion on its grammar. I also agree with the fact that no punctuation was in the original. I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 and the unwarranted "caught UP" in 2nd Corinthians 12:4. For the following reasons I agree with 99% of translators, who, under great peer pressure, and the rules of grammar, place the comma where it is in most translations.

1. Your translation is equally in doubt. It is not set where, and if, a comma should be inserted
2. The language of the Holy Spirit is consistently concise. It is, and would be, cumbersome to state the obvious. No matter when our Lord said that, it would have been, "today". Not even grade school students would say that.
3. Our Lord Jesus, versed in the Law of Moses, knew that the Jews would not leave a man still hanging on a cross after the day changed at sunset (Deut.21:22-23). The Romans might, as it was customary for crucified men to linger as long as two days, but the Pharisees would not. Therefore, "today" would not only be true, but also a relieving word for the thief
4. Your argument from the last paragraph is void. The malefactor asked our Lord about entry into the His Kingdom. The Lord answers not a word concerning the Kingdom. The Kingdom is gained (i) by being born again (Jn.3:3), (ii) by being Baptized (Jn.3:5), (iii) by doing the will of the Father in service (Matt.7:21), (iv) by being intimate with Jesus (Matt.7:23, 25:1, 12), (v) by denying the self, taking up your cross and losing your (soul) life (Matt.10:39, 16:24-27), and (vi) avoiding habitual sin (1st Cor.6:9-10; Gal.5:21, Eph.5:5). I will grant point # (i), but the other five points disqualify him from the Kingdom. He admitted that his works had earned him the death penalty. He was singularly unfit for the Kingdom.
5. Paradise is a PLACE, not a reward. In death we "groan" in nakedness (2nd Cor.5:1-3). So Abraham's Bosom is a place of "comfort". Paradise implies an elevation in pleasure much beyond "comfort", most probably because our Lord Jesus continues His relationship with His own (Ps.139:8; Phil.1:23). In this the thief was promised privilege.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4

That's just another nonsensical observation. The translators of the KjV were primarily Puritans and Anglicans, and were full apprised of the errors of the church of Rome. Read their Preface ("The Translators to the Reader"). "Easter" is equivalent to Pascha, which includes both the feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread, and corresponded to the Easter season (by then a well-established Christian festival).

 

[laymen]

I appreciate your reply, and I am familiar with the discussion on its grammar. I also agree with the fact that no punctuation was in the original. I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 and the unwarranted "caught UP" in 2nd Corinthians 12:4. For the following reasons I agree with 99% of translators, who, under great peer pressure, and the rules of grammar, place the comma where it is in most translations.

1. Your translation is equally in doubt. It is not set where, and if, a comma should be inserted
2. The language of the Holy Spirit is consistently concise. It is, and would be, cumbersome to state the obvious. No matter when our Lord said that, it would have been, "today". Not even grade school students would say that.
3. Our Lord Jesus, versed in the Law of Moses, knew that the Jews would not leave a man still hanging on a cross after the day changed at sunset (Deut.21:22-23). The Romans might, as it was customary for crucified men to linger as long as two days, but the Pharisees would not. Therefore, "today" would not only be true, but also a relieving word for the thief
4. Your argument from the last paragraph is void. The malefactor asked our Lord about entry into the His Kingdom. The Lord answers not a word concerning the Kingdom. The Kingdom is gained (i) by being born again (Jn.3:3), (ii) by being Baptized (Jn.3:5), (iii) by doing the will of the Father in service (Matt.7:21), (iv) by being intimate with Jesus (Matt.7:23, 25:1, 12), (v) by denying the self, taking up your cross and losing your (soul) life (Matt.10:39, 16:24-27), and (vi) avoiding habitual sin (1st Cor.6:9-10; Gal.5:21, Eph.5:5). I will grant point # (i), but the other five points disqualify him from the Kingdom. He admitted that his works had earned him the death penalty. He was singularly unfit for the Kingdom.
5. Paradise is a PLACE, not a reward. In death we "groan" in nakedness (2nd Cor.5:1-3). So Abraham's Bosom is a place of "comfort". Paradise implies an elevation in pleasure much beyond "comfort", most probably because our Lord Jesus continues His relationship with His own (Ps.139:8; Phil.1:23). In this the thief was promised privilege.

1. So you don't believe the (thief) Malefactor as you call it is going to be in heave?
2. Paradise= heaven here^^ not Abraham's bosom.
3. You still think he meant today?

 

[laymen]

I appreciate your reply, and I am familiar with the discussion on its grammar. I also agree with the fact that no punctuation was in the original. I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 and the unwarranted "caught UP" in 2nd Corinthians 12:4. For the following reasons I agree with 99% of translators, who, under great peer pressure, and the rules of grammar, place the comma where it is in most translations.

Your argument from the last paragraph is void. The malefactor asked our Lord about entry into the His Kingdom.

No sir he did not ask about entry. He told Jesus to remember him (not the same.)
The robber Believed that Jesus did no wrong. He believed it was Jesus too.

 

[laymen]

I appreciate your reply, and I am familiar with the discussion on its grammar. I also agree with the fact that no punctuation was in the original. I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 and the unwarranted "caught UP" in 2nd Corinthians 12:4. For the following reasons I agree with 99% of translators, who, under great peer pressure, and the rules of grammar, place the comma where it is in most translations.

Paradise is a PLACE, not a reward. In death we "groan" in nakedness (2nd Cor.5:1-3). So Abraham's Bosom is a place of "comfort". Paradise implies an elevation in pleasure much beyond "comfort", most probably because our Lord Jesus continues His relationship with His own (Ps.139:8; Phil.1:23). In this the thief was promised privilege.

Paradise is not Abraham's Bosom........


Abraham's bosom is a place near where Abraham might be in heaven. << see Mat 8:11S and showing closeness Isa 40:11; John 1:18 and only in heaven.

 

[Scribe]

Ps 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.
This just means his plans for this life. Not his conscience. That was an interpretation you provided but not the correct one.
His thoughts for a house, more money, more cattle, more children. These all perish the day he dies.
Now do you get it?
This verse and one in Eccl and Job are used by the cults to teach soul sleep but the one in Job and Eccl are expressions of men who don't know what happens in the afterlife and are expressing their emotional dispair. That a man cannot praise God in the grave (Hezekiah) is not meant to teach people what happens in the after life it is simply a way of expressing how he wanted to remain alive to give God praise in the land of the living before the ears of the living so that they might know the wonders of God who is worthy of our lips praising him which our lips cant do in the grave. And who is there to hear it? It is a poetic vent.

Same with this verse. His plans for the future all perish. His thoughts, the things he had been planning.

You ignored that definition in the Hebrew and went straight to Conscious even thought it is not the best definition at all. That hints of intellectual dishonesty on your part. You don't want it to mean plans.

I might seem a little cranky because I have grown weary of the weak argument for soul sleep using this verse. I don't think the people who use it really believe it. It is just all they have.

 

[posthuman]

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

I believe that they were banished because if they ate of the tree of life they would have eternal life under their current sinful state. God placed an angel guarding the entrance of the Garden of Eden to prevent anyone from eating of it at the inappropriate time, including Adam and Eve. I agree with your estimation.

actually they had time to make garments of fig leaves, so they clearly had time to take fruit from the tree of life. it was right there in the midst of the garden with the other tree.

but they didn't.

 

[posthuman]

That's just another nonsensical observation. The translators of the KjV were primarily Puritans and Anglicans, and were full apprised of the errors of the church of Rome. Read their Preface ("The Translators to the Reader"). "Easter" is equivalent to Pascha, which includes both the feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread, and corresponded to the Easter season (by then a well-established Christian festival).

"Eostare" is not equivalent to Pascha. the first instances of the word 'Easter' show up in a very anti-Semitic environment in Germany, where they actually replace all instances of Pascha both in the old & new testaments, and through that textual tradition make their way into English versions. there are no Greek, Hebrew or Latin translations that have any word other than 'Pascha' in the text, anywhere. in fact i'm not actually aware of any translations worldwide except German & English ones following the German textual traditions.

if Eostare was equivalent to Pascha tell me why they don't fall on the same date?

• 2019
  • Pascha: April 20-21
  • Eostare: April 21
• 2020
  • Pasha: April 8-9
  • Eostare: April 12
• 2021
  • Pascha: March 27-28
  • Eostare: April 4
• 2022
  • Pascha: April 15-16
  • Eostare: April 17

((giving 2 Gregorian dates for Pascha because the Hebrew calendar starts days at sundown rather than midnight))

because Pascha is counted by the lunar calendar, per the scripture, always landing on a full moon.
but Eostare is determined to be a sunday after the full moon, according to a Gregorian solar calendar.
they only coincide when Hebrew Nisan 15 falls on a Gregorian Sunday.

clearly not equivalent. they aren't even the same calendar, and we have 'Ishtar bunnies' instead of Pascal lambs. there is no good reason for 'Easter' to be in the text of the Bible; it's human tradition.

 

[rodders2828]

..But sometime before he died, our Lord Jesus promised a repentant thief that they would be together THAT DAY (by sunset), NOT in the Tomb, but in Paradise.

Move the comma. Try it this way: "I say unto you today, you will be with me in paradise".
Besides, 'paradise' here is referring to the millennial kingdom, which is yet sometime off.