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The Christian tradition was certainly part of the founding of the country. However, and thankfully, America's government is secular, not theocratic. This is why in the first unalienable freedom in our Constitution that enumerates citizen rights and protections so as to limit government, all citizens religious freedom is guaranteed. Not just that of the Christian.
If we were a theocratic state or government run country we'd be as pitiable as other such countries. Iran comes to mind.
I believe you are correct. Those who assemble even when there is a plague, do so at their own risk. Just as investors invest at their own risk. The government has no business telling citizens what risks they can take and what they cannot. And freedom of assembly under freedom of religion is guaranteed by the US Constitution.
At the same time, those who are already infected and showing symptoms of a communicable disease must quarantine themselves for the sake of others. And I am not sure if this preacher made it clear to his congregation that only healthy individuals could assemble together at that time.
What we are seeing now is the establishment of a police state, where people are also being encouraged to snitch on their friends and neighbors, and being arrested for simply gathering together with others. This should never have happened.
Furthermore, the fear-mongers such as Drs. Birx and Fauci should have be fired immediately, and the media should have been warned that there would be prosecutions for false news and deliberately creating panic. The New York Times deliberately showed a video from an Italian hospital being ravaged by COVID-19 and claimed that that scene was from New York. The FBI should have gone after the top bosses for this breach of trust.
But in an epidemic the government will take whatever action they feel they must take to ensure the safety of the people, and they do not believe in the miracles of the Bible, or the fundamental belief of the Bible.
For the people who have the control now do not believe in a personal God, and are of the occult the most dangerous belief system ever in the history of the world.
So these are not God fearing people but people bent on power and control, and to rule supreme on earth.
It is the inner circle of the occult that believes in no personal God, and believe in evolution, and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual provided by the New Age Christ.
And they do not even care about the people of the outer circle which is a light version of the occult to get the people thinking that way, and to interpret all religions according to the occult, and evolution.
These people will not show compassion for they do not believe in a personal God, and belief they are still evolving so they pursue that and will not let anybody get in their way.
Since they do not believe in a personal God, and of the occult, and believe they are still evolving there is no God to fear, or to offend, or to punish them for their wrong doing, and they will not show compassion from a God.
The inner circle believe they are the elite of the world, and set themselves up as kings, and supreme upon earth, and they will want to get rid of all people that oppose them, for they feel the God of forces, the power of nature the evolutionary process would want them to get rid of them for the balance and harmony of nature on earth.
They view everybody else as viruses, a cancer upon earth that they must get rid of them.
They do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to have peace on earth, and to evolve, until the nations come together as one to work for peace one earth.
His first step will be to establish peace in the Middle East, and then work as a great man of peace which he will have the trust of many people, and push the agenda of the new age movement which will be the time the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to the new age movement.
Technology has their head swirling with wanting power and control, and to rule supreme and when the smoke clears they only want the inner circle of the occult, the elite, to be on earth, which the outer circle of the occult works on the people to get them to lust after power, and witchcraft, and then they lust for more power, and the when the New Age Christ claims to be God by evolving through the power of nature then the outer circle will become the inner circle, and the New Age Christ kingdom will come about.
Scientists and doctors have warned against the 5G technology that it is bad for people.
They put the 5G towers 500 feet apart but they are smaller towers.
It can mock the flu, but have more serious complication than that not associated with the flu.
Every place that has the towers people are affected the most.
They have 5G technology on cruise ships which is why they say they have the coronavirus, which Crown Princess said they want a system in place in the future where AI speaks to AI, and they track everyone on board so they will know where they are at all times, which this is back in 2017 they said that.
It travels in shorter wave lengths so a person gets hit with more of them.
The output for 4G is 700-2500 MHz, where Verizon says their 5G is 28 GHz, and some say it can be 30 GHz to 300 GHz, which is way too much radiation for a person to take especially if they are not that healthy.
And the output is so high that is why it is affecting people so much, and why it spread so fast around the world.
I believe it is 5G technology and they want to blame it on the coronavirus although it can trigger viruses to be active, but the 5G is hurting people more, and it weakens the immune system, but because they want that technology implemented they do not care who gets hurt because of it.
5G and viruses.
The most notable connection is the famous Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918, which killed more than 20 million people worldwide. This epidemic actually started on military bases in the US at about the same time the US military was rolling out a new form of wireless communications.
Firstenberg also connects the flu epidemic of 1889 with a new electrical innovation. This time it was the rapid expansion of the electrified railroad in the US. Until 1888, there were only 45 miles of electrified railroad in the US. Yet, in a single year, this network grew to over 1000 miles. These very low frequency waves can travel thousands of miles, bouncing off the ionosphere and virtually traveling around the world at the speed of light. That same year a vicious flu erupted virtually simultaneously in such far-flung places as Greenland, Uzbekistan and Northern Alberta. It then quickly appeared in even more disparate locations, such as Philadelphia, Australia and the Balkans. In the days of pre-air travel, it seemed impossible that a contagious disease could travel this fast to so many seemingly-unrelated geographies.
We now flash forward to 1958. In the heart of the Cold War, the US had just completed the build-out of the most powerful and extensive missile defense system the world had ever seen. Hundreds of high power radar stations which generated 1350 megahertz signals and included Doppler stations, operating at more than one kilowatt, were suddenly filling the heavens with unnatural levels of microwave radiation. The problem is that all these microwave signals bounce off the ionosphere and then come back to earth. The earth’s electrical envelope acts like a resonating chamber that traps all this electrical activity and propels it at light speed to all corners of the planet.
During the build-out the US triple-threat missile defense system, the Asian Flu was born in China. The death toll ultimately reached 4 million worldwide. Scientists associated this flu with the H2N2 virus, which was thought to be avian-related.
Now, is it any coincidence that Wuhan, China, a leading “Smart City”, and one of the earliest adopters of 5G transmitters, is the very source of Covid-19 – the Coronavirus?
The coronavirus might have affected some people but I believe the 5G technology affects more people, and why it spread so quick since it is goes in to space and then bounces back to earth.
It is the 5G technology but they want to blame it on the coronavirus as a virus itself that is affecting people and causing it to spread fast.
And scientists have already warned of the dangers of it that would be worse than 4G exposure for the radiation is increased tremendously, and doctors have wanted against it, but they do not care.
We live in a world that is motivated by self exaltation, and we know about wars that have happened, and how people have pushed for power, and leaders like Hitler that did terrible things.
And people fight in general, and cannot stay married, and compete in everything there is to compete in to show superiority, and they cannot have enough money and material things, and generally fight over everything that they can fight about.
Which Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold.
Which iniquity is selfishness, and arrogance, which is a lack of love.
So the inner circle does not care about people for they view the world as all people do is fight with each other, and want control over each other, and to be supreme over each other, basically only caring about themselves.
Like the tears for fears song, everybody wants to rule the world.
And they know of the Catholic Church, and other that said they were christians that have warred with other people with cruelty to promote their beliefs , and Islam being terrorists and in opposition to people.
So the inner circle of the occult will not care about other people for to them that is the way the world operates, and they view people as not caring about them and would want to control them, and rule over them if they could.
So they will show no mercy upon anybody that opposes them but will go forth with cruelty to achieve what they want, and do not care that 5G is hurting people to achieve their agenda in a world where everybody wants the same thing.
Nobody on this planet that is not with God learns anything except that people are dogs wanting their own way, and will be cruel about it to have their way.
So the world does not care but to have their way, and do not get in their way for if they have the chance they will put you down.
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kaylagrl
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I think that you are interested in what God wants you to do, or you wouldn't be participating in this bible discussion forum. Is there any scripture that you know about where God instructs us to forsake the assembling of ourselves together for the purpose of praising and honoring him and to exhort one another in the singing of spiritual songs and fellowship one another? People are being arrested for preaching the gospel and you are condoning it. If the government only suggest not to assemble as a church gathering, that's fine and there is no violation of God's law, but when they arrest preachers for assembling, they are going against God's law.
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kaylagrl
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Now this is a lie. And I hope you're saying this simply because you don't understand the difference. I'm not trying to be nasty. They are not being arrested for preaching the gospel. They are being arrested because they are gathering in groups that will cause the spread of this virus faster and further. Businesses are staying closed risking their lifes work in many cases. There is no reason for the church to be open. None. You can worship God at home with your family.
They did suggest it, they asked and mostly everyone complied voluntarily. People have shut down businesses at the risk of losing everything. It is utterly selfish and a horrible example for Christians to refuse to shut down the church. You've ignored everything I said in my post. No one is asking you to forsake. You are being asked to pause for a short period of time. That doesn't go against the Bible. If they said you could no longer assemble then you've got a right to freak out. You're being asked to help save lives, not stop going to church forever. smh Stop twisting the Bible.
I am not trying to be vindictive, but am simply pointing out God's commandments. I would like to hear your explanation of Heb 10:22-25. Also, your explanation of the first amendment of our constitution, as pertaining to the church. I totally agree that President Trump's approach to eradicating the spread of the virus is commendable, and I do not believe that he will ever make it a law that prohibits churches from assembling by going against the constitution. Any other assemblies, besides the church, should be prohibited,
We have many examples in the scriptures of God's children upholding his commandments when the government told them they were not to uphold God's commandments, and God delivered them for upholding his commandments, such as, the 3 Hebrew children of God being thrown into a furnace for not honoring the king's golden image of his God. Daniel being thrown into a den of lions for following God's commandment. The Apostle Paul being put into prison for drawing a crowd and preaching the gospel, when he was told by the government not to. and many other examples in the scriptures.
What is your explanation of Acts 5:29? Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than man.
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kaylagrl
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23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. .[/QUOTE]
Now let me ask you this question, are elderly that can't physically attend church breaking Gods law? If you are going through cancer treatments and can't attend church, is that forsaking the assembling? What if you have a sick child that you have to stay home and care for, is that forsaking? Some people have no choice but to work on Sunday, are they forsaking the assembly? Some people can't get out of their bed, they can't physically go to church, what of them? You're not forsaking, you're taking a pause to stop the spread of this deadly virus. The rest of your comment is talking about religious freedom,no one is telling you to go against God's commandment. No one is telling you to forsake going to church. No one is saying bar the church doors you can no longer worship God. You are being asked to worship at home until the virus passes. To not do so is selfish.
If it would be cholera ore the pocks, which we know as dangerous, the Florida pastor maby would agree to have no churchservice. And everybody would call Him call grazy, if not. But Corona is new, and was long time not seen as so dangerous. Italy, spain and NJ shows us that this Virus is dangerous.
It has nothing to do with against the constitution, but when I think further, then it can be that such an worldwide situaton could lead to the antichrist system. I believe that we are not far from it.
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kaylagrl
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Secondly the verse before that says this;
24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds
Is protecting others, our elderly from falling seriously ill not a "good deed"?
Do you think church attendance saves you?! There are people who attend church every Sunday and are as lost as one who never darkened a church door.
The gov't is asking us to put our neighbors before ourselves. Many governors have asked the church to pray. We have a huge opportunity to be an encouragement and a witness to the lost during this time. Schools,restaurants,business, private citizens are willingly staying at home to save their neighbors. The church ought to do the same. To not do so is not showing love and concern for others. To not do so is selfish. It's being obtuse and dogmatic, like the Pharisees who blamed Jesus for healing on the sabbath. Our job as the church is to reach out. If you think assembling is the most important thing, you,like the Pharisees have entirely missed the message Jesus sending.
I fully agree. That Preacher should sue those who prohibited him worshipping, and for millions. Such tyrants do not belong in a free country. If he loses his case, the United States is dead, and the Constitution clearly not the highest law in the nation.
I can see both sides of it
On the one hand, I don't think this particular incident amounts to Christian persecution per se.
On the other hand, I see it as a slippery slope. Because restrictions against Christians CAN be under the guise or pretext of public health, safety, order, etc. Again, I don't believe that's true in this case, but we COULD be heading in that direction.
Plus, once the beast system is established, the groundwork/foundation would've already been laid for that. (For the record, I don't believe it's here yet.)
Scripture cannot contradict itself; therefore Acts 5 and Romans 13 are both true. We just need to continually seek God's guidance on how we should respond.
On the one hand, I don't think this particular incident amounts to Christian persecution per se.
On the other hand, I see it as a slippery slope. Because restrictions against Christians CAN be under the guise or pretext of public health, safety, order, etc. Again, I don't believe that's true in this case, but we COULD be heading in that direction.
Plus, once the beast system is established, the groundwork/foundation would've already been laid for that. (For the record, I don't believe it's here yet.)
Scripture cannot contradict itself; therefore Acts 5 and Romans 13 are both true. We just need to continually seek God's guidance on how we should respond.
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kaylagrl
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Yeah, that's a great look for a Christian. No one is stopping him from worshiping, thats a lie. They are asking people not gather together to stop the virus. Utterly selfish to keep holding church when the country is on lock down. People are suffering, losing their jobs and some Christians are making up false persecution charges. Unreal.
There is no prohibiting of religion. Religion and worship are still free rights. And it does not require large groups together to do so.
In a third world countries like Malaysia, our govt do allow different faith or religion. However, you can't preach to the Malay race due to they are muslims, they are forbidden to convert, if they do, they can be fined or jailed under muslim laws.
People only have the right of 'peacefully to assemble' under the 1st Amendment.
Under Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution, Congress is vested with the power to "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" and ""To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. "
Even if the argument that power of Congress to make laws for general welfare does not include Public Health issues as in this situation was successful, the powers not vested to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States, would still be reserved by the States, or the People.
In such, the power would then be vested in the States, or respectively to the People to determine whether an assembly would be deemed against the peace and dignity of the State, or not.
So are you suggesting that no law could be enacted prohibiting people from assembling under any situation or that just when it is an assembly for religious purposes?
We are to obey the laws of God. God does not instruct us to not forsake the assembling of ourselves in the other assemblings, Just in religious assemblies.
You have to hear His word before you do His word.
Deut 5:23-30
23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
28 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
30 Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come. 1 Cor 11:34
We have freedom of religion, however this does not over ide the poser of the elected, constitutional government.
Tody the general practice of the conglomoration of what is called, Christian, is exactly what the people fled when settling the Colonies.
Freedom of religion means people can be atheisst, agnostic, Muslim, Jewish, and/or Christian but it seems the people of the Bible, that is those who beat the Bible but do not actually know what is inside, are attempting to make their own "chosen nation" out of not onlytheir countries, but the entire world it seems.
I see no difference in usin ghe Bible as an excuse to invade and kill and run roughshod over humanit than the same action with the Tanakh or the Koraqn.
Our Father is our King Eternal............no head of a government os this age.