Ukraine the bad guy?
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Yup...everything that I have been reading is saying the same thing.
Supposedly the REAL counter-offensive is still gonna happen. Eventually.
And its going to drive the huns out of the land once and for all.
That what Z is saying anyways. But let me suggest that these irrational ravings are uttered only after a large quantity of illegal psychoactive compounds have been delivered thru the nasal orifice.
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id like to throw something in here that might help us understand russia's mindset, russians believe that they are the geographic center of the world and therefore should be the center of trade, manufacturing, culture, etc. ukraine is a just an outlet and inlet, a sort of gate for them to europe. so they want that gate to be in their control
There are those who lose less. Ukraine has every right to defend itself and the Western world has every right to help. Those who think otherwise should go and live in Russia, China or North Korea for a while. There is such a thing as the lesser of two evils. You have more hope of preaching the gospel in Ukraine than any of those other countries. Keep that in mind before you throw Ukraine to the Russian wolves.
Yes....absolutely. when I visited Slovakia some five years ago it was awesome. I made many friends with whom I've kept contact with over the years.
I laugh at many of these people who think they know what is going on and how the Ukranians are such horrible people. They really don't understand ANYTHING about the people or culture....or even the babushkas. How our Westernized mindset about altruism is somewhat different from Slavic....but things have been changing...and for the better.
Also how dealing with Russians is like a chessmatch every single time. It gets to a point where you just don't want to deal with them anymore.
That's because of a mindset that is foreign to Westerners which is "community ".
Politics are so far below on their importance scale it's unbelievable. Their community mindset is extremely high.
Bakhmut has fallen.....
Head of the Russian private military group Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has announced Saturday that after months of grinding warfare and heavy casualties, Russia has now taken full control of the strategic city of Bakhmut.
Prigozhin is announcing final victory and that Bakhmut has finally fallen. "The operation to capture Bakhmut lasted 224 days" he said in a video posted to Wagner's Telegram channel. "Today at noon, Bakhmut was fully captured," he declared.
Russian state media is also declaring "The key Donbass city of Artyomovsk, known as Bakhmut in Ukraine, has been fully liberated by the Russian forces...".
Prigozhin described that full capture of the city finally came when an area containing high-rise buildings where the final Ukrainian defensive holdout had a presence was conquered.
Western media reports have said they can't verify the claims, but headlines in Reuters and the Associated Press are widely reporting the Wagner chief's declaration of victory:
Head of the Russian private military group Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has announced Saturday that after months of grinding warfare and heavy casualties, Russia has now taken full control of the strategic city of Bakhmut.
Prigozhin is announcing final victory and that Bakhmut has finally fallen. "The operation to capture Bakhmut lasted 224 days" he said in a video posted to Wagner's Telegram channel. "Today at noon, Bakhmut was fully captured," he declared.
Russian state media is also declaring "The key Donbass city of Artyomovsk, known as Bakhmut in Ukraine, has been fully liberated by the Russian forces...".
Prigozhin described that full capture of the city finally came when an area containing high-rise buildings where the final Ukrainian defensive holdout had a presence was conquered.
Western media reports have said they can't verify the claims, but headlines in Reuters and the Associated Press are widely reporting the Wagner chief's declaration of victory:
In a video posted on Telegram, Wagner head Yevgeny Prigozhin said the city came under complete Russian control at about midday Saturday. He spoke flanked by about half a dozen fighters, with ruined buildings in the background and explosions heard in the distance.
But the mainstream media reports are also highlighting Ukraine's rejection of claims that the city has finally fallen. Yet, as the AP underscores, Ukrainian officials have lately admitted the situation was already dire for their forces: However, after the video appeared, Ukrainian deputy defense minister Hanna Maliar said heavy fighting was continuing.
“The situation is critical,” she said. “As of now, our defenders, control certain industrial and infrastructure facilities in this area.”
Serhiy Cherevatyi, spokesman for Ukraine’s eastern command, told The Associated Press that Prigozhin’s claim “is not true. Our units are fighting in Bakhmut.”
“The situation is critical,” she said. “As of now, our defenders, control certain industrial and infrastructure facilities in this area.”
Serhiy Cherevatyi, spokesman for Ukraine’s eastern command, told The Associated Press that Prigozhin’s claim “is not true. Our units are fighting in Bakhmut.”