Ukraine the bad guy?

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HeIsHere said:
This war started long before 2014.
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Correct,
Russia started around 2004-2009 by sending in Russian loyalists (with money) to stir up dissent and begin voting in their elections (voter fraud).
All of this just after they signed the Non-proliferation treaty. (To get rid of their nuclear missiles so they couldn't fight back)

So yes....Russia has violated every treaty they signed. And they attack the weak and innocent.
 
ChristsChild said:
For me it is odd to pick a side in a war between these two.
What we're told about it is reported by a bias media we can't trust to tell us about what's happening here.
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I do not think it is about picking a side necessarily but rather being forthright about the background and reasons for this war.

Agree the media is selective in their reporting and yes often telling falsehoods.
Getting at the truth takes times unfortunately but it can be done.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Trying to frame this in a black and white position is your first mistake.
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No .....not even right or correct. That's language used to justify evil.

War is the worst thing to perpetrate on anyone. Escalation to war was done by Russia pure and simple. They have publicly and openly stated what they did. It's not a secret.
Now that the whole world is actually paying attention Russia is trying to find any reason whatsoever to justify themselves....and they don't have any!
 
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JohnDB said:
No .....not even right or correct. That's language used to justify evil.

War is the worst thing to perpetrate on anyone. Escalation to war was done by Russia pure and simple. They have publicly and openly stated what they did. It's not a secret.
Now that the whole world is actually paying attention Russia is trying to find any reason whatsoever to justify themselves....and they don't have any!
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Got it, so which part of the world does not lie in the evil one so we all can know who the good guys are and who the evil guys are, if only there was a tree we could eat which would make us wise to know good and evil.
 
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JohnDB said:
The WHOLE WORLD has risen up against Russia on this.
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Three quarters of the world do not give a hoot about this war. Everybody knows exactly what went down BTW.
Which is why they also want to give the USD the boot once and for all.
 
JohnDB said:
I wouldn't either....but Aljazeera is not going to accept Western bribery or control the way they would from Muslim control.

And the core facts are not in dispute by anyone.

Russia started this war in 2014. Russia went for full occupation over a year ago.

Russia invaded and is occupying a sovereign nation.. By a standing treaty we and the rest of the Whole World are providing assistance to Ukraine against Russia including the likes of the Philippines, Europe, India and South Korea. There are even Canadian citizens who have gone to Ukraine to fight for Ukraine. That says a LOT right there.

Those are the core facts.
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iamsoandso said:
It makes no sense,, Who would attack a fortified position(the Kremlin) with a weapon(drone) that doesn't have the capability of penetrating it?
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This action basically sums up this war pretty much.
Why hasn't Ukraine turned all of that occupied red into green by occupying Russian territory? All backed up by the indominable might of the EU and US? What is the problem here?
 
Susanna said:
@cv5, is it your opinion that Russia has rightfully invaded Ukraine? Can you answer the question without making detours or resorting to whataboutism?
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If two wrongs don't make a right, then how about a few dozen? Including slaps in the face and knives in the back?
 
HeIsHere said:
I am not sure you would be able to follow so I will pass.
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Oh we can easily follow....it's just that your justifications (straight from Russian propagandists) are lies, misstatements of facts, and twisting of truths and the leaving out of critical facts that would in fact negate what you are proposing is true.

And for the record....those on all 7 continents are stating that they stand with Ukraine....there are only 9 nation states that are are not....and it's the usual suspects. Countries like Iran and Venezuela and North Korea.....

But even Saudis, Congo, UAE, Mozambique, South Africa, Australia, and I've heard that even Libya has been supportive of Ukraine. Why you proclaim that it's just the USA and Europe doing this is beyond me. It is literally the WHOLE WORLD that stands against Russian invasion of Ukraine.
 
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cv5 said:
Three quarters of the world do not give a hoot about this war. Everybody knows exactly what went down BTW.
Which is why they also want to give the USD the boot once and for all.
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By "THE WHOLE WORLD" he means Biden and a couple of his boyfriends in Europe.
 
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cv5 said:
This action basically sums up this war pretty much.
Why hasn't Ukraine turned all of that occupied red into green by occupying Russian territory? All backed up by the indominable might of the EU and US? What is the problem here?
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That's not what I was meaning made no sense. the Kremlin is saying that the US and Ukraine attempted an assassination against Putin. If this were true then it would not have been by drone attack because it doesn't carry weapons that would penetrate something fortified like a bomb shelter(Kremlin). So the only outcome of a drone attack against Putin's home/Kremlin would be Zelensky now has a target on him and his family with vengeance. Kiev is now going to be the primary target and Zelensky. What about the US and Biden if this is true then the US has just committed an act of war by helping with the attempted assassination of the leader of Russia. And so the only outcome of this would be retaliation and a full declaration of war. I would not see that any military leader in the US nor Ukraine would suggest to attempt to strike the Kremlin/Putin unless they were fully prepared for war.
 
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