Ukraine the bad guy?

[cv5]

some more intel

Interesting. Hard to tell what the real motivations of the actors really are in this present situation.
Gonna wait it out and see what transpires.

The thing is.......Prigozhin is not a dove. Not even a little bit. If he had his way, Kiev would already be overrun. And would have been months ago. Maybe Putin needed a plausible pretext to become more aggressive in advancing the Ukraine war, and Prigozhin is simply playing his assigned role?

Anyways, things are not looking good the world over. Thank You Lord Jesus for our Blessed hope the Rapture of the Saints.

 

[Gideon300]

Or worse yet.....earnestly seeking to end it. Even for the simple reason of not getting your head shot off.

The war in Ukraine has been going on since 2014. It just escalated last year. The West could have nipped this in the bud in 2014, but they failed. It reminds me of Europe's failure to drive Hitler back from the demilitarised zone in the 1930's. Hitler read the Freanc correctly. In spite of superior forces, the French did nothing. Hitler flouted the treaty of Versailles, rearming Germany to become Europe's nightmare. Putin did the same. The same result occured. Innocent people suffer, the cost of resisting a despot has increased dramatically and history once more demonstrates that people learn nothing from history.

Wishful thinking won't stop the war. It never has. Putin is losing phase 2 of the war. If he is allowed to stay in Ukraine, he will rebuild his forces until phase 3 is possible, which is the total annexation of Ukraine. You think the death toll is bad now? It's a picnic compared to what Putin has planned. One of his own inner circle, Pryghozin, has condemned Putin and Putin's false reasoning for invading Ukraine.

I liken these kinds of situations to cancer. Treat it early, and it is less painful, less costly and survival is more likely. Leaving it alone produces the opposite. Cancer does not just go away. Neither will Putin and his wicked ambitions.

 

[cv5]

"By: South Pacific PREMIUM 3 minutes ago from: Putin Reassures Allies In Phone Calls, Erdogan Expresses 'Full Support' Against Coup by ZH

Chuckle at anyone thinking a man with 25,000 troops and no air assets poses any threat to the Russian power structure. This is one of two things;

1. A distraction & a feint to get Ukraine and the rest of the world to focus on specific areas and make poor decisions for accepting this at face value, while a new front is opened from anywhere from Belgorod to Belarus.

2. Scripted theater which will be used to further crackdown on the freedoms of the average Russian, suspending a lot of laws, and forcing more into mobilization. Quite possibly Martial law in regions.

Personally I see this as Russia's version of 9/11 used to consolidate tyrannical power at expense of the people, and also a ploy that will expose any in the rank and file not loyal to the regime. Whats more I feel confident this also the reason conflict in Ukraine was drawn out- Russia has the ability to absolutely crush Ukraine and quickly, but did not, which allowed all of its mobilized forces to be rotated through modern theater to gain valuable experience, which also burned through stockpiles of aging borderline obsolete weapons, making room for modern ones, and most importantly giving Russian industry time to scale up wartime production massively which you cannot do quickly, under legitimate guise that the sleeping West has ignored (intentionally at the highest levels). One has not seen a fraction of Russia's might nor modern weapons capability in this conflict thus far, and this move currently is one of the final pieces falling into place for much greater expanded war, a play they would not have made until the above points i mention were satisfactorily met"

Thats what I have been thinking as of late.

 

[Gideon300]

Good news!

For everyone hoping that the Ukraine conflict could grow into WWIII and a nuclear war between the US, NATO, Russia, China, and a bunch of Islamic countries we have some really good news. NATO putting troops into Ukraine is historic, in the future if there are any historians left alive they will look at this as a major step towards nuclear annihilation and armageddon.

I get that there are some people who do not like war and are afraid of nuclear war, but this is where fortunes are made for the 12 families of the elites. Their bunkers are stocked, they will be safely housed deep underground, and when the purge is over they will crawl out from their caves to divide the earth up into 12 kingdoms.

You may think this is horrible and they will be hated and vilified by all, but that is only because you think the history books will accurately and truthfully report what took place.

If you are right, and I doubt it, there will be no history books. Anyone who believes that the earth will be worth having after nuclear war is deluded.

 

[cv5]

Putin is losing phase 2 of the war.

I see no evidence of this. Not even close. Entire AFU battalions are getting wiped out long before they reach even the first line of Russian defenses. And the casualty ratio remains around 8:1 if not much better for the Russians.

That why I am entirely suspicious of some supposed coup attempt. Looks like a set-up to me.

But hey, what do I know as a spectator in the peanut gallery anyways?

 

[Fundaamental]

Interesting. Hard to tell what the real motivations of the actors really are in this present situation.
Gonna wait it out and see what transpires.

The thing is.......Prigozhin is not a dove. Not even a little bit. If he had his way, Kiev would already be overrun. And would have been months ago. Maybe Putin needed a plausible pretext to become more aggressive in advancing the Ukraine war, and Prigozhin is simply playing his assigned role?

Anyways, things are not looking good the world over. Thank You Lord Jesus for our Blessed hope the Rapture of the Saints.

the rapture I'm still yet to fully study so Ive decided to keep an open mind on that until I do.

But yep your thoughts where mine too,

But the idea I had was. It's a Strategic strategy by the russians, to make the pull out of troops look like an internal affair

Befor they do something big.

Remember the russians said they. where just exercising military practices on the border befor they attacked.

 

[Gideon300]

I see no evidence of this. Not even close. Entire AFU battalions are getting wiped out long before they reach even the first line of Russian defenses. And the casualty ratio remains around 8:1 if not much better for the Russians.

That why I am entirely suspicious of some supposed coup attempt. Looks like a set-up to me.

But hey, what do I know as a spectator in the peanut gallery anyways?

"See no evidence..." perhaps you are looking in the wrong places.

 

[Fundaamental]

Good news!

For everyone hoping that the Ukraine conflict could grow into WWIII and a nuclear war between the US, NATO, Russia, China, and a bunch of Islamic countries we have some really good news. NATO putting troops into Ukraine is historic, in the future if there are any historians left alive they will look at this as a major step towards nuclear annihilation and armageddon.

I get that there are some people who do not like war and are afraid of nuclear war, but this is where fortunes are made for the 12 families of the elites. Their bunkers are stocked, they will be safely housed deep underground, and when the purge is over they will crawl out from their caves to divide the earth up into 12 kingdoms.

You may think this is horrible and they will be hated and vilified by all, but that is only because you think the history books will accurately and truthfully report what took place.

have you got a link for NATO troops being in Ukraine,

 

[cv5]

If you are right, and I doubt it, there will be no history books. Anyone who believes that the earth will be worth having after nuclear war is deluded.

Here is the problem as I see it. And it is a truly grave one:

IF this coup is legit. And IF the Kadyrov forces align with Prigozhin. And IF they succeed in overtaking Moscow and the Russian military, THEN.......the world will have the greatest nuclear arsenal commandeered by TWO mercenary armies full of criminals and pseudo-Islamic zealots.

Russia will descend into the abyss, woefully unstable, with a hardened military junta at the helm. The world will become entrenched into the most dangerous unstable era in all of human history.

To say that the Western powers would like to see such an outcome is ridiculous. If anything, Europe is suffering all-out panic at these developments. A mad-dog Russian government, utterly non-negotiable, with ONLY militaristic objectives. Not good.

BTW........this aligns with Ezekiel 38 among many other prophetic events.

 

[ZNP]

If you are right, and I doubt it, there will be no history books. Anyone who believes that the earth will be worth having after nuclear war is deluded.

How about a thousand years after?

 

[ZNP]

I am wondering if what we are seeing in Russia is like the Bay of Pigs? That was supposed to be an uprising of Cubans against their government and then the US was going to say "Hey, the Cubans are revolting, lets help them". That is a very dangerous game because Russia is not Cuba and if the US is behind this then the whole world will sympathize with Russia if they attack the US.

 

[Fundaamental]

I am wondering if what we are seeing in Russia is like the Bay of Pigs? That was supposed to be an uprising of Cubans against their government and then the US was going to say "Hey, the Cubans are revolting, lets help them". That is a very dangerous game because Russia is not Cuba and if the US is behind this then the whole world will sympathize with Russia if they attack the US.

not sure but I'm also wondering if this is Russia's way of ending the war.

Pretending there is a coup ?

Rather than admit defeat

 

[ZNP]

not sure but I'm also wondering if this is Russia's way of ending the war.

Pretending there is a coup ?

Rather than admit defeat

Wow, you are an optimist. This war ends when we get to Armageddon.

 

[Fundaamental]

Wow, you are an optimist. This war ends when we get to Armageddon.

I know that one nuke would kill 120000 people at most in the most populated of areas.

I also know it take a mammoth effort and amount of money just to keep just one nuke cold and maintained so it don't blow up,

Research suggests at any one time Russia and the USA are at most maintaining 100 nukes, for those reasons and maybe other reasons like, for sake of humanity reasons.
But that might be wishful thinking.



So if you do your maths 200 nukes X 120000 people, is about 25 million people would die in a nuclear war. Between USA and Russia if the areas where as highly populated as China.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

I've notice you've stopped calling the Russians evil.

Have you changed your mind and just seeing Putin as evil now, just wondered.

Nope, you should re-read. Anyone that serves Wicked Russia in any way is evil and excommunicated from the bdoy of Christ. God himself fights them until Unholy Russia ceases to exist as an entity. Only by fleeing or rising up in Holy Revolution can any Russian person's excommunication be rescinded. PRAISE JESUS!

 

[ZNP]

I know that one nuke would kill 120000 people at most in the most populated of areas.

I also know it take a mammoth effort and amount of money just to keep just one nuke cold and maintained so it don't blow up,

Research suggests at any one time Russia and the USA are at most maintaining 100 nukes, for those reasons and maybe other reasons like, for sake of humanity reasons.
But that might be wishful thinking.



So if you do your maths 200 nukes X 120000 people, is about 25 million people would die in a nuclear war. Between USA and Russia if the areas where as highly populated as China.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nuclear-war-5-billion-people-starvation-deaths-study/

Nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia would kill more than 5 billion people – just from starvation, study finds

If you have a nuclear war you will have all the electric grids go down, as a result of that you will have looting, riots and collapse of society. As a result of these two things you will see some nuclear power plants begin to meltdown. Soon they all will.

It doesn't matter if they have their own generators. Who is going to deliver the diesel fuel without pumps working, without shipping and without truck drivers being able to drive a truck that doesn't get jacked?

Without gas and diesel being shipped, trucked or pumped you will see all transportation collapse and then all the large cities will starve to death.

It looks to me like your estimate is about 1% of reality.

Again, no electricity means no refrigeration. No gas and oil means farming and harvesting done by hand.

We are talking about massive starvation worldwide. Even countries in Africa and South America that might not be killed by the radiation will die from the starvation.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

Confirmation that Prigozhin has indeed legitimately turned against Wicked Putin. Prigozhin has captured Rostov, apparently he tried to get there to kill wicked Gerasimov, but Gerasimov managed to flee before Rostov was captured. Wagner troops are going through Unholy Russia like a hot knife through butter. Unconfirmed reports suggest that they may have already reached Volgograd (that's Stalingrad)! The Unholy Tsar Putin makes an official statement on Prigozhin's rebellion and shakes in his shoes with fear knowing that the Lord Jesus Christ has set his hand against him. Prigozhin exposes the Unholy Russians as liars claiming that their casualty figures are between 5 to 10 times higher than the Russians have bee reported (and quite possibly by implication here higher than even Ukraine has been estimating). Unholy Russia will be destroyed from off the face of the Earth for their service to Satan and their torrent of lies, the Truth will always stand, PRAISE JESUS!

 

[ZNP]

Nope, you should re-read. Anyone that serves Wicked Russia in any way is evil and excommunicated from the bdoy of Christ. God himself fights them until Unholy Russia ceases to exist as an entity. Only by fleeing or rising up in Holy Revolution can any Russian person's excommunication be rescinded. PRAISE JESUS!

Wicked is used 81 times in this thread.

Evil is only used 75 times in this thread.

Unholy is only used 32 times in this thread

Seeing as how unholy, wicked and evil light bearer sees Russia one wonders how many times he refers to them being sinful (0) or how many times he refers to them being idolatrous (0). Strange.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

Wicked is used 81 times in this thread.

Evil is only used 75 times in this thread.

Unholy is only used 32 times in this thread

Seeing as how unholy, wicked and evil light bearer sees Russia one wonders how many times he refers to them being sinful (0) or how many times he refers to them being idolatrous (0). Strange.

Isn't evil, unholy, and wicked the same thing as sinful? Let's be clear then Unholy Russia is evil and committed grave sins from which there is no coming back from when they declared a war on their European brothers for a lie, that's a sin, to serve the lies and love the lies is a sin. To commit murder and theft for the cause of a lie is a sin. To bribe priests and corrupt the church is a sin. To divorce your wife and sleep with many others is a sin. Putin has done all these things and more, he has made his State illegitimate and through force and lies tries to create an empire of lies as well. Yet Putin doesn't control the creation nor the destruction of nations, my God does, and Unholy Russia's time as a State is running out, PRAISE JESUS!

 

[cv5]

I know that one nuke would kill 120000 people at most in the most populated of areas.

I also know it take a mammoth effort and amount of money just to keep just one nuke cold and maintained so it don't blow up,

Research suggests at any one time Russia and the USA are at most maintaining 100 nukes, for those reasons and maybe other reasons like, for sake of humanity reasons.
But that might be wishful thinking.



So if you do your maths 200 nukes X 120000 people, is about 25 million people would die in a nuclear war. Between USA and Russia if the areas where as highly populated as China.

Think again. Your numbers are waaaayyy off. Israel ALONE is estimated to be holding 75-400 nukes.

The payload of RS-28 can be 10X 1 megaton or 15X 3/4 megaton MIRVs.

Such a payload and MIRV "shotgun effect" can have one missile utterly and completely destroy any city on earth completely.
Including suburbs and surrounding areas. You are looking first strike @ 100 million immediate casualties which is way too conservative. That is first strike only.

RS-28 Sarmat - Wikipedia