So by that logic, every ugly tree and every tree that doesn't produce fruit that is good to eat (like the durian) was planted by Satan?
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So by that logic, every ugly tree and every tree that doesn't produce fruit that is good to eat (like the durian) was planted by Satan?
The semi-colon's rules of usage employed in Gen 2:9 suggest a list of trees that God made. While it may be viewed as an indication a separation of these two trees as unique from the others, the 'and' appears to preclude the mutual exclusivity of the two for inclusion in the list. However, I do see where it can be argued that if one can be viewed as not among those with the descriptive 'pleasant to the sight, and good for food,' both must be included, even without that descriptive, as both on connected by the 'and' and included following the semi-colon. I understand how it can be held to not be included as 'pleasant to the sight, and good for food,' if we follow the logic that, since Eve judge it so, it must not be so but, I'm having difficulty seeing how either can be excluded as a part of 'every tree that God made out of the ground. '
Especially considering the latest of my musings about the verity that, even if we don't understand how, if God made it or allowed it, it must be good, for some reason or another we fail to clearly understand, even death.
Genesis 2:9 is one sentence. Therefore, when read correctly, it is easy to understand that God made every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, including the tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
The tree of knowledge was obviously pleasant to the sight and good for food because Eve and saw it as such and both did so eat of it. The same can be said of the tree of life because God had to guard it against them eating from it.
The God given free will of man caused man's disobedience. If God had not given man free will, God would not have to command man against doing anything contrary to God's will.
Sorry, not sure I understand all that you've posted. Respectfully, maybe if you could simplify it that would help me. Anyway, I think the semicolon provides a separation of the second clause from the first in order to distinctly inform where the trees were located in the garden: they being in its midst-- but, not to alter the attributes/requirements for having been created by God, as described by the first clause.
I'm a little dense, so bear with me.
"The same can be said of the tree of life because God had to guard it against them eating from it."
Guarded against them eating from it AFTER eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not before
"The tree of knowledge was obviously pleasant to the sight and good for food because Eve and saw it as such and both did so eat of it."
Good for food? It obviously wasn't good for food. Where did you get that from? Did you read what happened to them after they ate of it? Eve was not invested as the judge of its nature, God alone was and He said not to eat of it, so it didn't matter what Eve might or might not have believed or thought about it -- she didn't make it so.
Why do you think this is in the Bible:
[Gen 2:17 KJV] 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
and
[Gen 3:13 KJV] 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
There was will before eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but not after it
"The God given free will of man caused man's disobedience. If God had not given man free will, God would not have to command man against doing anything contrary to God's will."
I couldn't expect anyone to fully understand what I'd posted, being fully aware of my lengthy run on sentences trying to catch every thought bouncing around in corners of my mind, yet unable to place them in a more succinct order. You've sufficiently answered the gist of my the question tho, ty. I need to keep in mind that there is no time limit regarding the construction of my posts, such as in the case of the edit thereof. I imagine everyone else's thoughts flowing effortlessly and think I should try and emulate that, I need to work on allowing myself the same grace, as seems you do also going by the evident self=deprecation. We shouldn't disparage or de-value ourselves anymore than we should others, except in jesting, of course.
I'm just wondering who, after opening one of those fruits and smelling it, decided to still eat it.
Some with the choice between that or limburger cheese?
I'm just wondering who, after opening one of those fruits and smelling it, decided to still eat it.
Okay you were joking in your post to me when you mentioned jackfruit in the garden of Eden, right? i should have picked up on it then - it is funny now that I think about it. Now that I've said this I really hope you were joking
There was no command given by God that the fruit of the tree of life was at any time forbidden. Furthermore, the scriptures are silent as to whether they had eaten from the tree of life before eating from the tree of knowledge. It was only after they ate of the tree of knowledge that they died spiritually, and would eventually die physically. They needed to eat of the tree of life to live forever physically. God's promise for their disobedience was instant spiritual death and future physical death, and to ensure their physical death He had to keep them from access to the tree of life.
The fruit of the tree of knowledge was obviously pleasant to the sight and good for food, notwithstanding the punishment for eating it. Apparently the reason God did not want them to eat of it was because they would be like God knowing good and evil. It is reasonable to infer from scripture that God wanted Adam and Eve to live in total bliss, not knowing good and evil. Otherwise, God would not have commanded them not to eat of it.
Eve was charmed by the devil to eat the forbidden fruit. She exercised free will even though she was deceived with false promises.
Man had free will before the fall and has free will still. Otherwise you'd not exercise your free will to call the tree of the knowledge of good and evil Satan's tree when the Bible clearly tells us God created everything, including the tree of the k.o.g.a.e.
Well, I dunno. There could have been that kind of tree in Eden. Who can know for sure?
But it is funny to me that humans actually decided to try to eat it. 
na you dont really get my meaning it seemed like from what happened Adam was blaming God for Eve because he wasnt picking any fruit himself. Maybe he was busy naming animals or something, but it does seem he just wasnt taking any responsibility for it at all. Eve picked it and she ate and gave to him, it wasnt like he picked it, because, maybe he just let Eve pick all the fruit for both of them, instead of actually picking then fruit together.
If he was close by and didnt even say or do anything to stop Eve, that just makes it worse on his part. Because he could have fended of the serpent, as the sepernet couldnt argue with another witness. Did God really say? asked the serpent...and Eve got doubtful, why didnt she turn to Adam and why didnt Adam then say actually God DID say it was poisonous!
also why, when God asked adam did you eat it, why didnt Adam say he was deceived by the serpent same as Eve? No, instead he blamed God for giving him Eve!
a responsible person would have just said Im sorry I ate it I knew it was wrong we dont want to die! I couldnt stop Eve from eating it. Or I wasnt there when the serpent told Eve those lies, and unfortunatley she ate it and so did I. what can I do?!
If he was truly innocent he would have said I didnt actually know that what I ate was the forbidden fruit, but actually it seems Adam DID know beforehand.
so not taking responsibilty for eating the fruit equals laziness in my view. It was as if Adam was saying Eve was feeding him, like a baby.
like how drunks say they cant stop drinking, yet, they are the ones that go and buy the drinks. Or they go to parties where drinks are offered, and then cant seem to say no. when they could have just not drunk or not gone.
I think the warning God gave was pretty clear, that they would DIE from eating the forbidden fruit but, seeing as both had never experienced death, never seen it before it would have been like God was talking gibberish to them perhaps.
the other thing was Adams punishment was work to produce which suggest he really was kinda lazy before, he wasnt even picking his own fruit and it was already there for him.
Not to say Eve perfectly industrious but then her punishment was to NOT work...it was to have children. Cos she stuffed up by wanting to be too smart, so God punished her by having her desire her husband and letting him rule over her...like asking him permission before she set foot anywhere or making all the final decisions.
I dont seem to be that Adam and Eve discussed things together at all. spur of the moment thing? I dont know. Maybe.
People can interpret Genesis story in many diferent ways Im just sharing with how Im reading it and comes across to me. Your reading may differ.
I find a common thing between young men and women is that they get so surprised when theyve been together physically and the woman falls pregnant, and in many cases its the man doesnt want the baby or even knows about it! Like neither of them knows that this thing you do can result in pregnancy. But they go ahead and do it anyway.
Or like adulterers only care so much if they dont get caught or the female doesnt fall pregnant. But what they do most likely will result in it. If they were really not ashamed of what they were doing pregnancy would be GOOD news right?
the other thing was Adams punishment was work to produce which suggest he really was kinda lazy before, he wasnt even picking his own fruit and it was already there for him.
Not to say Eve perfectly industrious but then her punishment was to NOT work...it was to have children. Cos she stuffed up by wanting to be too smart, so God punished her by having her desire her husband and letting him rule over her...like asking him permission before she set foot anywhere or making all the final decisions.
I dont seem to be that Adam and Eve discussed things together at all. spur of the moment thing? I dont know. Maybe.
People can interpret Genesis story in many diferent ways Im just sharing with how Im reading it and comes across to me. Your reading may differ.
I find a common thing between young men and women is that they get so surprised when theyve been together physically and the woman falls pregnant, and in many cases its the man doesnt want the baby or even knows about it! Like neither of them knows that this thing you do can result in pregnancy. But they go ahead and do it anyway.
Or like adulterers only care so much if they dont get caught or the female doesnt fall pregnant. But what they do most likely will result in it. If they were really not ashamed of what they were doing pregnancy would be GOOD news right?
actually Adam was close by he was with her and ddnt say anything. Genesis 3:6
so Adam heard what the serpents said to Eve and took no action.
I guess Im trying to understand why Adam didnt go and grab the cherubims flaming sword and cut the lying serpents head off.
cain their son, didnt like that God favoured Abel and his offering and thought nothing of killing his own brother. I just wonder where Adam was when THAT happened.
so Adam heard what the serpents said to Eve and took no action.
I guess Im trying to understand why Adam didnt go and grab the cherubims flaming sword and cut the lying serpents head off.
cain their son, didnt like that God favoured Abel and his offering and thought nothing of killing his own brother. I just wonder where Adam was when THAT happened.
It states right in the verse you provided in Genesis 2:9 that God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This is collaborated in the first chapter of John .
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
hmm I dont think it was simply disobedience, I think temptation had a lot to do with it, well on Eves part anyway. Maybe for Adam it was disobedience.
Remember the Lords prayer 'lead us not into tempation, but deliver us from evil' the Lords prayer doesnt say 'lead us not to disobedience' because if you are mislead you can obey what is evil.
Remember the Lords prayer 'lead us not into tempation, but deliver us from evil' the Lords prayer doesnt say 'lead us not to disobedience' because if you are mislead you can obey what is evil.