Two Natures???

[John146]

He had to be born of flesh and blood is why he was born of a woman ….

“but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you seem to have an issue with that and this especially

“concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;


and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you seem to have issues with what it actually says and have to spin explainations to try to be right about it . And remove what it actually has to say But I’m not trying to pressure you or anything I’m perfectly fine if you don’t see it the same way . I don’t mind when people have a different thought

I have no problems with scripture at all, just your interpretation.

Jesus was made in the likeness of sinful man, not exactly.

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Why the virgin birth?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I have no problems with scripture at all, just your interpretation.

Jesus was made in the likeness of sinful man, not exactly.

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Why the virgin birth?

Because god doesn’t have flesh and blood mankind does … Jesus was born like you were bro your flesh came from your mothers body your spirit came from god . He’s not flesh and blood that’s why Abraham is noted as the father of many nations Jesus took upon himself the seed of Abraham the flesh and blood of mankind In order to redeem us from the flesh which is condemned to death for sin

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jesus had no biological earthly father and God is a spirit , he was born or “ made” of a woman because it beloved him to be made like us in every way innorder to be our intercessor with God

Of Jesus hadn’t been born of Mary he would have never been made flesh and dwelt among us as one of us

the son of man is an important title of Jesus

“Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:69‬ ‭

“but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He became a man having flesh and blood , laid his sinless flesh down and poured out his holy blood of our sanctification for us sinners .

He was born of a virgin because he was made flesh and blood like you or even me God is a spirit he’s not biological he’s a spirit. Mary was a virgin god said Jesus would be conceived in her and he was this was necassary for him to bring his word to fulfillment . the son of man needed to be born and overcome the flesh Jesus became one of us flesh and blood his birth was the means by which it happened

 

[John146]

Jesus was born like you were bro your flesh came from your mothers body your spirit came from god .

If so, then his body was corrupt. I don't believe this to be so. The body, the seed, was placed inside the womb of Mary by God. The body was prepared, literally, by God.

Again, why the virgin birth? Why wasn't Joseph involved?

 

[Mem]

Lev17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.
(I pasted the NIV simply because it was the first listed among the parallel versions)
These are just some thoughts that this discussion is generating as I consider Jesus' declaration that He is the Life.
It occurred to me that none of the animals given to foreshadow Christ's sacrifice were resurrected. Rather, they were eaten by the priests, and in the case of the Passover lamb, it was eaten by the family, but none were permitted to consume the blood. I wonder if this has any correlation of the old wine and the new wine in relativity to the blood of Jesus.
It's seems that there should be something there to help understand the means by which our inheritance comes.

 

[Webers.Home]

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● John 1:14 . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

It's not all that difficult to show the Word's incarnation began with Adam's
creation.

To begin with: the Bible says Jesus was on track for David's throne.

● Luke 1:31-33 . . You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are
to give him the name Jesus. The Lord God will give him the throne of his
father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom
will never end.

Before any man can be considered for David's throne, they must first be one
of David's natural descendants rather than an artificial descendant; and
that's on oath.

● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn
from it: "Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"

The new testament verifies Jesus satisfies both the oath and the
requirement that the man who takes David's throne be one of his natural
descendants.

● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us
unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn
with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he
would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.

● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" is a mite ambiguous because it can refer to
spiritual posterity as well as natural posterity; but in David's case; seed
definitely refers to natural posterity because Jesus was 1) the fruit of David's
body and 2) of David's loins according to the flesh.

So then, seeing as how Jesus was among David's natural descendants, then
of course Jesus was among Adam's natural descendants too because we all,
including David, descend from a common ancestor.

● Gen 3:20 . . Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the
mother of all the living.

● Acts 17:26 . . He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all
the face of the earth.

NOTE: According to Luke 1:31-33, the Word's incarnation has two fathers,
the one divine and the other human, so that Jesus can speak of himself as
deity and he can speak of himself as mankind. I think quite a few Bible
readers much prefer him one way or the other, rather than both
simultaneously. As someone fully God and fully Man, the Word's incarnation
can be a mite confusing at times.

Having a foot in both worlds gives Jesus a couple of amazing advantages. On
the one foot he's entitled to God's throne, and on the other foot he's entitled
to David's throne so that one day he'll be the supreme man on Earth just as
he's now the supreme man in Heaven.
_

 

[Mem]

.
● John 1:14 . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

It's not all that difficult to show the Word's incarnation began with Adam's
creation.

To begin with: the Bible says Jesus was on track for David's throne.

● Luke 1:31-33 . . You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are
to give him the name Jesus. The Lord God will give him the throne of his
father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom
will never end.

Before any man can be considered for David's throne, they must first be one
of David's natural descendants rather than an artificial descendant; and
that's on oath.

● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn
from it: "Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"

The new testament verifies Jesus satisfies both the oath and the
requirement that the man who takes David's throne be one of his natural
descendants.

● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us
unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn
with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he
would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.

● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" is a mite ambiguous because it can refer to
spiritual posterity as well as natural posterity; but in David's case; seed
definitely refers to natural posterity because Jesus was 1) the fruit of David's
body and 2) of David's loins according to the flesh.

So then, seeing as how Jesus was among David's natural descendants, then
of course Jesus was among Adam's natural descendants too because we all,
including David, descend from a common ancestor.

● Gen 3:20 . . Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the
mother of all the living.

● Acts 17:26 . . He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all
the face of the earth.

NOTE: According to Luke 1:31-33, the Word's incarnation has two fathers,
the one divine and the other human, so that Jesus can speak of himself as
deity and he can speak of himself as mankind. I think quite a few Bible
readers much prefer him one way or the other, rather than both
simultaneously. As someone fully God and fully Man, the Word's incarnation
can be a mite confusing at times.

Having a foot in both worlds gives Jesus a couple of amazing advantages. On
the one foot he's entitled to God's throne, and on the other foot he's entitled
to David's throne so that one day he'll be the supreme man on Earth just as
he's now the supreme man in Heaven.
_

Given that Satan tried to take over heaven and was casts down to the earth, it become difficult to character his story as a tragedy or a comedy in that, ironically, he ultimately has his throne taken from him.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If so, then his body was corrupt. I don't believe this to be so. The body, the seed, was placed inside the womb of Mary by God. The body was prepared, literally, by God.

Again, why the virgin birth? Why wasn't Joseph involved?

Naw his body wasn’t corrupt a persons corrupt when they are tempted and then they yield to it like Adam did ….when Jesus was tempted he stuck with gods word and Satan fled away . Adam corrupted himself like we all do Jesus never did that he perfected the flesh

some of you have the idea we are born corrupted that’s not the case but that’s why you make the connection “ of Jesus had man’s flesh he was corrupted “ but that’s not the case . Babies aren’t corrupt at birth as himans grow up and learn they are tempted by evil and sin that’s what corrupts them and sentences them to death Jesus never did that he was tempted like Adam was tempted and sinned and like we are tempted and sin but he never commited sin . Even when his flesh was tempted

“For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭NIV‬‬

We know what Adam did when he was tempted but what did Jesus do ? He was tempted and did not sin ever even as he was led to his suffering and death he was forgiving the ones doing it to him even then there was no accusation or guile he became the perfect man made of thier flesh and blood and never sinned and so he rose up from death having no sin

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus became a man like we are we and he never sinned …. We have sinned when tempted

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he didn’t sin when he was tempted

….tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.”


The wages of sin is death ….if you have no sin , death has no legal claim on you. Jesus became one of us

 

[Webers.Home]

It's not all that difficult to show the Word's incarnation began with Adam's creation.

FAQ: How is it possible for the Word's incarnation to be Adam's descendant
when Jesus' mom slept with no man to conceive him?

REPLY: In the beginning, Eve was constructed with material taken from Adam's
body. In other words: her body became a biological extension of Adam's body.
Thus: any offspring produced by any part of Eve's body-- either virgin conceived
or naturally conceived --would be Adam's offspring too.

So then; unless someone can show how Mary wasn't one of Eve's
descendants, then we have to concede that any offspring produced by any
part of Mary's body would be in turn be Eve's offspring, and as such Adam's to.
_

 

[Magenta]

What you are claiming is that Jesus had Adam's corrupt blood line. I totally reject this. Jesus was born of a virgin, the
body placed in the womb by God. If Jesus had Adam's corruptness passed on to him, Jesus could not have died for sins.

The text says Mary would conceive, which does not sound like an implant at all. Luke 1 v 31

Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus.

 

[posthuman]

He was on earth.

and He did not leave His body behind when He ascended

 

[posthuman]

why Abraham is noted as the father of many nations

by faith, not by blood-relation

Galatians 3:7-9​

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. ​

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."​

So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.​

 

[posthuman]

“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:

this really stands out like a sore thumb next to everything else you put about having a carnal nature.

which means it's something amazing, that isn't being properly understood!!

none of what you quoted says the body is not resurrected nor redeemed, or that the physical creation of God was not made very good, or was destined for destruction from the beginning.

even everyone's favorite verse of the week, 1 Cor 15:50, does not say Christ was only masquerading as a a real physical body after He rose, and left a corpse behind when He ascended - - and we know that exactly like He rose, He will also raise us.

it says inheritance of the Kingdom isn't by flesh and blood - not that the body is irredeemable, not that we won't be physically raised to inhabit the new earth. it does not say the body cannot enter the Kingdom of the Son Who came in the flesh. it says the flesh is not the way in which that kingdom is inherited.

 

[posthuman]

you seem to have issues with what it actually says

doesn't it say, whoever denies Christ came in the flesh, is antichrist?

why is it so important to recognize that He has a real physical body? ((not that anyone is denying that, but that maybe we aren't cluing in on how enormously significant it is))

i feel like a lot of us are reading that flesh can't inherit salvation, and thinking that means Christ can't have flesh - - which imo is really missing a treasure. because He does. He in fact made a point of proving that He does, so there would be no doubt of it.

why is it so important to God that not just the disciples knew this, that Thomas knows this, but also that it was written down and preserved for thousands of years for us to know this?

"only because He was temporarily on earth" seems like a really shoddy answer, sorry

"the same yesterday today and forever"

 

[Mem]

doesn't it say, whoever denies Christ came in the flesh, is antichrist?

why is it so important to recognize that He has a real physical body? ((not that anyone is denying that, but that maybe we aren't cluing in on how enormously significant it is))

i feel like a lot of us are reading that flesh can't inherit salvation, and thinking that means Christ can't have flesh - - which imo is really missing a treasure. because He does. He in fact made a point of proving that He does, so there would be no doubt of it.

why is it so important to God that we not just the disciples knew this, that Thomas knows 5his,but also that it was written down and preserved for thousands of years for is to know this?

"only because He was temporarily on earth" seems like a really shoddy answer, sorry

"the same yesterday today and forever"

Luke 18:27 and its cross references; Matthew 19:26 Mark 10:27 Genesis 18:14 Jeremiah 32:17 Jeremiah 32:27 Job 42:2 Zechariah 8:6 Numbers 11:23 Isaiah 46:10 Isaiah 55:8-9 Ephesians 3:20 Philippians 4:13 Romans 4:21 Hebrews 11:19 and 2 Corinthians 2:9 reminds us that nothing is impossible with God.

by faith, not by blood-relation

Galatians 3:7-9​

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. ​

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."​

So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.​

Amen, it is faith that does inherit the kingdom, but the kingdom won't be inhabited by 'bodies of faith.'

 

[posthuman]

He was born of a virgin because he was made flesh and blood like you or even me God is a spirit he’s not biological he’s a spirit. Mary was a virgin god said Jesus would be conceived in her and he was this was necassary for him to bring his word to fulfillment . the son of man needed to be born and overcome the flesh Jesus became one of us flesh and blood his birth was the means by which it happened

but why a virgin

what is important about there being zero question about a man being involved in His incarnation?

Romans 5:12​

through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin​

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tthis, despite Woman being first to sin

​

 

[Magenta]

but why a virgin

what is important about there being zero question about a man being involved in His incarnation?

Romans 5:12​

through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin​

​

tthis, despite Woman being first to sin

Eve was made from Adam, after all, who was made of the dust of the earth... of the natural world.

Which God proclaimed good and very good even... until sin caused the corruption of the whole universe.

1 Corinthians 15 v 45-46
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam a life-giving spirit. The spiritual, however, was
not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.

Romans 8 v 20-21
For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope that the
creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

James 1 verses 14-15; 1 John 2 verse 16 Each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. For all that is in the world- the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life- is not from the Father but from the world. .
Always enjoy your perspective and input on these matters, bro post...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

by faith, not by blood-relation

Galatians 3:7-9​

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. ​

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."​

So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.​

Yeah I was thinking the same thing

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

this really stands out like a sore thumb next to everything else you put about having a carnal nature.

which means it's something amazing, that isn't being properly understood!!

none of what you quoted says the body is not resurrected nor redeemed, or that the physical creation of God was not made very good, or was destined for destruction from the beginning.

even everyone's favorite verse of the week, 1 Cor 15:50, does not say Christ was only masquerading as a a real physical body after He rose, and left a corpse behind when He ascended - - and we know that exactly like He rose, He will also raise us.

it says inheritance of the Kingdom isn't by flesh and blood - not that the body is irredeemable, not that we won't be physically raised to inhabit the new earth. it does not say the body cannot enter the Kingdom of the Son Who came in the flesh. it says the flesh is not the way in which that kingdom is inherited.

“none of what you quoted says the body is not resurrected nor redeemed, or that the physical creation of God was not made very good, or was destined for destruction from the beginning.”

yeah because im not arguing any of that this isn’t arguing against a resurrection it’s just saying “ look what Paul said about the resurrection body “ and then I’m agreeing with what he’s saying like this

“it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:44‬ ‭

see he’s actually talking about the subject of the resurrection body there in just saying I agree with Paul

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See I’m saying ^^^ Paul’s explaining our resurrection bodies for us clearly he even explains that we lived on earth and needed this earthly body but when we’re raised we’ll need heavenly spiritual ones

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:42-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a ot corrupt but incorruptable not dishonorable but glorious not weak but powerful not natural but spiritual

That’s what I’m saying not arguing any of that stuff like there’s no resurrection body or anything . My position is we could all just learn from what they are saying so for me the whole argument is really clear that Paul’s making there why he’s saying it and what he’s saying

“As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:48-52‬ ‭KJV‬‬

right so my position is there’s a physical natural body that we have right now while we live on earth , it will die and decay and return to the dust is was made from but …. But our spiritual body will rise again when Jesus returns from heaven .

This one’s like a seed it has to die n order to become what it will be later Like Paul’s saying there on this earth we have earthly bodies we dwell in but later we’ll get better glorified ones .



It actually says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God which is what the gospel is all about it’s a conclusion of what he’s been explaining about the natural body for earth and the spiritual one for eternity in the chapter this stuff that really you seem to be overlooking

“How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? “

“it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body,

and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy,

we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; ( it’s not just a verse it’s a long explaination ending there ) neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

that’s all I’m saying there’s a natural body for earth that’s going to die and there’s a spiritual body that’s going to be raised up later . I’m just acknowledging Paul’s explainition I used to not think that either but it’s really a good clear perfect explaination he gives

 

[Pilgrimshope]

doesn't it say, whoever denies Christ came in the flesh, is antichrist?

why is it so important to recognize that He has a real physical body? ((not that anyone is denying that, but that maybe we aren't cluing in on how enormously significant it is))

i feel like a lot of us are reading that flesh can't inherit salvation, and thinking that means Christ can't have flesh - - which imo is really missing a treasure. because He does. He in fact made a point of proving that He does, so there would be no doubt of it.

why is it so important to God that not just the disciples knew this, that Thomas knows this, but also that it was written down and preserved for thousands of years for us to know this?

"only because He was temporarily on earth" seems like a really shoddy answer, sorry

"the same yesterday today and forever"

“doesn't it say, whoever denies Christ came in the flesh, is antichrist?”

yeah are you saying I’m denying Jesus came in the flesh though ? because I haven’t in any way .

“why is it so important to recognize that He has a real physical body? ((not that anyone is denying that, but that maybe we aren't cluing in on how enormously significant it is))”

ive quoted a lot about why he had to become flesh lol and I’m told that’s heresy by another

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,

he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭

This is what Jesus being born fulfilled

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is what he did and why he had to become flesh

“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

flesh

“And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

blood

“Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:20‬ ‭


God became flesh when Jesus was born a man made of flesh and blood then he lived a life on the flesh and never sinned like we all do sin and are condemned to death for sin …..he didn’t sin so his flesh wasn’t condemned to death ours is

 

[Pilgrimshope]

but why a virgin

what is important about there being zero question about a man being involved in His incarnation?

Romans 5:12​

through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin​

​

tthis, despite Woman being first to sin

​

“what is important about there being zero question about a man being involved in His incarnation?”

his mother was involved she conceived him by gods word

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s where Jesus flesh and blood came from when he was conceived by gods word in his mothers womb like all of man besides Adam is born of woman

“And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s sort of my point god is a spirit he declared tbat Jesus would be born in the flesh having no biological fether but yes having a biological mother from whom his flesh was made Like ours is he had to become one of us a son of man flesh and blood to save us


“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

( he was made in tbe image of mankind who are flesh and blood )

that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But brother I have no hard feelings or issues if you dont agree bit certainly I’ve been clear Jesus did come in the flesh …. We’re talking about other things like what form of body those of the resurrection will have , whether natural or spiritual and also where Jesus flesh came from …..



Because he was the son of god ….