Two Natures???

[Pilgrimshope]

The difference is the blood of Jesus was not passed down from Adam. This is the importance of Jesus being God's only begotten Son. The sinless blood of God was in the body of Jesus, therefore, his blood could be shed for sins.

“The sinless blood of God was in the body of Jesus, therefore, his blood could be shed for sins”

jesus was born in the flesh and blood of man , lived as a man facing all the temptations we all do and never sinned , that’s why he could rise from the dead

he wasn’t under this judgement like we are

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus didn’t sin and so death has no right by gods word to have him only those who sin ( all of us ) are condemned to death. He died for our sins but had none of his own his flesh was sinless ours is corrupted and the problem

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The difference is the blood of Jesus was not passed down from Adam. This is the importance of Jesus being God's only begotten Son. The sinless blood of God was in the body of Jesus, therefore, his blood could be shed for sins.

“The difference is the blood of Jesus was not passed down from Adam.”

you’ve never read Jesus geneology ? Whose blood did Mary whos flesh and blood he was born of have ?

 

[DeanM]

Well, the resurrected body of Jesus was flesh and bone.

Really?

 

[posthuman]

A spiritual body made of flesh and bones. A body that can pass through walls and transport from one place to another.

He walked on water and right through people before He was resurrected

 

[posthuman]

“The difference is the blood of Jesus was not passed down from Adam.”

you’ve never read Jesus geneology ? Whose blood did Mary whos flesh and blood he was born of have ?

the mother passes no blood to the foetus, and He had no earthly father

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the mother passes no blood to the foetus, and He had no earthly father

Yeah he had no earthly father agreed but. He was made of a woman

“but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he was born of a virgin ….his flesh and blood came just like ours does his spirit came from the father his flesh was born and made of Mary’s flesh and blood by gods word

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭

god didn’t have blood before Jesus was born of Mary , he’s a spirit when he was born he was taking part of the same humanity we do he took upon himself flesh and blood when he was born

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus appeared in the flesh body after his resurrection and ate with them because he was still on this earth that was his earthly form , heaven isn’t physical it’s a spiritual place for spirits Jesus became a man never sinned then shed his perfect blood for mankind as the one who was worthy like we aren’t

 

[Edith]

You asked if the Christian has two natures. The answer is no; the sinful man is dead and buried. Unless you dredge it up from the grave, as many believes often do (See quote from Galatians 2 above).

Our faith journey is summarized in three words
Justification, Sanctification, Glorification.

- When we receive Christ we are JUSTIFIED. we can not be condemned anymore.

- After being justified we go on to live SANCTIFIED lives by the reason of justification. This is where the difficulty lies because the flesh is in constant battle with the Spirit. it is at this point you subject your will to that of the Christ. it goes on as long as you are in the flesh.

- One day you would leave the flesh and meet with your Savior. That is when you are Glorified. the battle of the flesh and the Spirit stops. Then the Crown you receive will depend on the good works you have been doing and how sanctified you lived.
if you were canal you enter as one escaping from fire.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus appeared in the flesh body after his resurrection and ate with them because he was still on this earth that was his earthly form , heaven isn’t physical it’s a spiritual place for spirits Jesus became a man never sinned then shed his perfect blood for mankind as the one who was worthy like we aren’t

did He leave a corpse behind when He ascended?

or was He deceiving the disciples proving that He was bodily risen, and not a mere spirit?

Luke 24:39​

Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.​

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ii think it's clear He bodily rose, bodily ascended, and will bodily return.

'flesh and blood cannot inherit' doesn't say cannot 'enter'

 

[posthuman]

he was born of a virgin ….his flesh and blood came just like ours

not exactly like ours.
the life is in the blood, and through Adam death spread to all mankind.
in Him is no death - and He inherited no physical substance from Joseph

 

[posthuman]

flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God

why not?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

did He leave a corpse behind when He ascended?

or was He deceiving the disciples proving that He was bodily risen, and not a mere spirit?

Luke 24:39​

Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.​

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ii think it's clear He bodily rose, bodily ascended, and will bodily return.

'flesh and blood cannot inherit' doesn't say cannot 'enter'

Lol naw he was translated like Enoch was from his natural earthly form to his spiritual heavenly form when he left the earth into heaven what I was saying was

“concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:3‬

“but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what I was saying is jesus body rose because he had no sin his flesh was without sin and I was saying that’s not the case with our flesh and blood our flesh is appointed to death because of sin and because we sinned we are inder that judgement of death for all who sinned jesus isn’t and wasn’t

so his body rising up doesn’t change the part telling us about our resirrection it’s true Jesus sinless body rose . While he hung out with them fourty says he still appeared at times in his earthly form


when he entered heaven it’s no longer a physical place it’s spiritual could we look with a telescope and see Jesus body on a distant planet ? Naw because he was translated and was no more on earth he entered heaven and his glory .

Like enoch god just took him he ( Enoch ) never saw death but was translated into gods kingdom by faith

Our flesh versions are made for earthly temporal life brother when we are raised up look . What if someone asked Paul “ how are the dead raised ? What body will they have ? What would the apostle say ???

“But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”

…..it is sown a natural body,

it is raised a spiritual body.

there is a natural body,

there is also a spiritual body.

And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, ( natural ) so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.( spiritual )

I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, ( it’s not of this earthly world we don’t need earthly bodies but spiritual bodies )

nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.” ( from flesh bodies to spiritual bodies )
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35, 40, 44, 49-52‬ ‭

 

[Pilgrimshope]

why not?

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,

for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”( that’s why you don’t meet anyone who’s body lasts two hundred years anymore )
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;

but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭

“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh:

and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16‬ ‭

“Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

The spirit truly is ready,

but the flesh is weak.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭14:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,

that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭5:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:

but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To this part

“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:

My thought is Jesus hasn’t entered into heaven yet to stay on his throne he’s still dealing with them in earth like he sometimes did in the ot so they’re seeing his earthly form still before he ascends to his throne


“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body,( for this life on earth till we die )

and there is a spiritual body.”( that will be raised up for judgement and the kingdom of God )
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Doll]

Does the Christian have two natures, one sinful and the other divine?
Or does the Christian have one nature, the 'new creation'?
Your thoughts with appropriate Scripture.

The old nature is gone in those who are redeemed from its sin and then are reborn,born again,in Christ.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_564.cfm


2Corinthians 5:17

 

[John146]

jesus was born in the flesh and blood of man

What you are claiming is that Jesus had Adam's corrupt blood line. I totally reject this. Jesus was born of a virgin, the body placed in the womb by God. If Jesus had Adam's corruptness passed on to him, Jesus could not have died for sins.

 

[John146]

“The difference is the blood of Jesus was not passed down from Adam.”

you’ve never read Jesus geneology ? Whose blood did Mary whos flesh and blood he was born of have ?

The blood of Jesus did not come from Mary, but God. The body inside Mary's womb was not of man's descent, but God's decent. Then why the need for a virgin birth?

 

[John146]

why not?

Exactly! The part of that statement that is corrutp is the blood. Flesh and blood can not inherit the KOG, but in the resurrection, flesh and bone can. What happened to the blood of Jesus? It was shed for us on the cross. No more blood. Btw, Adam had no blood before the fall, but that's another study.

 

[John146]

Really?

What happened to the blood of Jesus? It was shed on the cross for sins.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

 

[DeanM]

What happened to the blood of Jesus? It was shed on the cross for sins.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

He was on earth.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What you are claiming is that Jesus had Adam's corrupt blood line. I totally reject this. Jesus was born of a virgin, the body placed in the womb by God. If Jesus had Adam's corruptness passed on to him, Jesus could not have died for sins.

I’m alright if you don’t understand or reject what I said

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The blood of Jesus did not come from Mary, but God. The body inside Mary's womb was not of man's descent, but God's decent. Then why the need for a virgin birth?

He had to be born of flesh and blood is why he was born of a woman ….

“but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you seem to have an issue with that and this especially

“concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;


and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you seem to have issues with what it actually says and have to spin explainations to try to be right about it . And remove what it actually has to say But I’m not trying to pressure you or anything I’m perfectly fine if you don’t see it the same way . I don’t mind when people have a different thought