Trumps Tariffs

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This nation needs to get run away spending under control

We cannot keep paying for everything like we have been.

If this doesn't get under control the dollar will crash and it'll make the great depression look like a Sunday school picnic

All the grifters who think the government is their mommy and daddy will burn this nation to the ground if the freebies stop.

Then we will have civil war and most of these grifters will have to be whacked in order to get rid of lawlessness.

Dollar crashed years ago and they keep hiding it to keep everyone from doing what your describing by refinancing everything. Best to keep it hidden as long as possible because eventually when it comes out the things you describe will be the reality.
 
No, it's always been more valuable than the currencies of all other nations.

Sure it's gone down in value, but compared to all other currencies it has never actually crashed
Isn't that incredible? In 1970 you could buy an ounce of gold for $40 and so relative to gold it has lost 99% of its value, but if you do it slowly people won't do anything. Can you imagine if they understood that and that was the plan? Also, as bad as that is the dollar is still the best currency! How bad do all the other currencies have to be? Finally consider this, you give everyone in the US a test and ask them what is a "fiat" currency? What percent could answer that question? 10%? 20%? Do you think that is accidental? I will bet if you ask elites that question 100% of them will know the answer.
 
Like many have said again and again, tariffs are taxes.
Of course it is a tax, it is an "optional" tax. You don't have to pay it. If you buy something made in China you have to pay it, but if you choose instead to buy something made in the US you don't.
 
No, it's always been more valuable than the currencies of all other nations.

Sure it's gone down in value, but compared to all other currencies it has never actually crashed

Which was true in times past but it is not currently which is why tariffs are needed to offset the difference with places like Europe where the Euro is stronger than the US dollar. https://www.xs.com/en/blog/strongest-currencies-in-the-world/ As some has mentioned the US dollar is fiat money and so it is as valuable as people perceive it to be. The reason why the elite try their best to hide it's true value is in the day everyone slides their debit card at the grocery store and we walk out with a bag of groceries for a thousand dollars even the billionaires will be just as broke as us.
 
Which was true in times past but it is not currently which is why tariffs are needed to offset the difference with places like Europe where the Euro is stronger than the US dollar. https://www.xs.com/en/blog/strongest-currencies-in-the-world/ As some has mentioned the US dollar is fiat money and so it is as valuable as people perceive it to be. The reason why the elite try their best to hide it's true value is in the day everyone slides their debit card at the grocery store and we walk out with a bag of groceries for a thousand dollars even the billionaires will be just as broke as us.

All our current money bro is fiat. Fiat just means by decree. Government controlling the purse and the sword can by decree and force can make anything they want money. So all nations on this planet at least as far as I know uses fiat money.

Our fiat money and has been long before we became the reserve currency is IOU's. That is what our paper money is in times of gold and sliver it gave birth to paper money. Government decreasing the amount of precious metals in coins, folks filing of the edges of coins for the metal content, and etc. We went to IOU's paper money. You could present the IOU and in turn receive the face value in the denominated metal.

In time it was just easier to use the IOU's as the money or currency. As they were easier to carry around, they never needed the security that gold or silver did when carried. It was just a easier system to use the IOU's.

A lot of times when monetary systems are talked about they are seen as cabal of conspirators. That is just not the case. In fact you can read studies most of people that believe conspiracy theories are not of low intellect. The struggle is the random the unequal of something.

Take JFK for example. He is the most powerful man on the planet. He is consequential, he has influence, he is important, he has high value on any kind of index that would assign value. He is killed by no one, someone of no consequence. There is a discrepancy here and the mind must find a way to find parity, equalness, balance, or otherwise it makes no sense.

Same thing for our monetary system that proceeds us. It's flaws are not the conspiracy of some evil. It is the road to hell is paid with good intentions. God in Proverbs warns of what can befall man. He warns of evil and he warns of foolishness. Most of his warnings are beware foolishness. Foolishness causes more damage in the extent or over a wider area not on a moral scale but sheer numbers.

Such is our monetary system. The debt can never be paid it is impossible. A mathematical impossibility. The best we can do is get rid of the deficit so that debt goes up at a slower rate.

What makes the debt impossible to pay off is every dollar created it created by debt. So if you borrow $100 hundred dollars. That is what is created $100. However, when you create that $100 you owe $104 back but only $100 has been created. So other debt has to create the $4 to fully pay off the debt.

It is a intentional system as the other system was worse. When we used hard currency or metals for our money we had stability. However, the problem was lack of liquidity. Like a bank run the money always ran out before the line did. After the 1837 depression which came after Jackson had ended our fist central bank.

Many in our country began to plan once again for a central bank. What it allows is a creation of money that can expand and also contract. It allows for elasticity. So in theory you have more liquidity when you need it and a contraction when not as much is needed. This is done by injecting the economy when needed. Someone needs more money so they get a loan. So the money is created then after it fills the need for the liquidity it is removed. When a loan is paid off that money is destroyed.

The system does make sense but it has a built in flaw as for example every $100 created you owe back $104 and that can only be created on a future loan. So it makes the debt ever increasing and impossible to pay off. We are not alone though this is the same system worldwide.

We owe $38 trillion but the rest of the world owes something like $110 trillion.
 
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Supreme Court justices appear skeptical that Trump tariffs are legal

  • Supreme Court justices appeared deeply skeptical about the legality of tariffs imposed by President Donald Trump against most of the world’s nations.
  • Conservative and liberal justices sharply questioned Solicitor General D. John Sauer about the justification of the tariffs, which critics say infringes on the power of Congress to tax.
  • Lower courts say Trump lacked authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to impose reciprocal and fentanyl tariffs on imports from Canada, China, Mexico and other trade partners.
  • Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent attended the arguments.
 
All our current money bro is fiat. Fiat just means by decree. Government controlling the purse and the sword can by decree and force can make anything they want money. So all nations on this planet at least as far as I know uses fiat money.

Our fiat money and has been long before we became the reserve currency is IOU's. That is what our paper money is in times of gold and sliver it gave birth to paper money. Government decreasing the amount of precious metals in coins, folks filing of the edges of coins for the metal content, and etc. We went to IOU's paper money. You could present the IOU and in turn receive the face value in the denominated metal.

In time it was just easier to use the IOU's as the money or currency. As they were easier to carry around, they never needed the security that gold or silver did when carried. It was just a easier system to use the IOU's.

A lot of times when monetary systems are talked about they are seen as cabal of conspirators. That is just not the case. In fact you can read studies most of people that believe conspiracy theories are not of low intellect. The struggle is the random the unequal of something.

Take JFK for example. He is the most powerful man on the planet. He is consequential, he has influence, he is important, he has high value on any kind of index that would assign value. He is killed by no one, someone of no consequence. There is a discrepancy here and the mind must find a way to find parity, equalness, balance, or otherwise it makes no sense.

Same thing for our monetary system that proceeds us. It's flaws are not the conspiracy of some evil. It is the road to hell is paid with good intentions. God in Proverbs warns of what can befall man. He warns of evil and he warns of foolishness. Most of his warnings are beware foolishness. Foolishness causes more damage in the extent or over a wider area not on a moral scale but sheer numbers.

Such is our monetary system. The debt can never be paid it is impossible. A mathematical impossibility. The best we can do is get rid of the deficit so that debt goes up at a slower rate.

What makes the debt impossible to pay off is every dollar created it created by debt. So if you borrow $100 hundred dollars. That is what is created $100. However, when you create that $100 you owe $104 back but only $100 has been created. So other debt has to create the $4 to fully pay off the debt.

It is a intentional system as the other system was worse. When we used hard currency or metals for our money we had stability. However, the problem was lack of liquidity. Like a bank run the money always ran out before the line did. After the 1837 depression which came after Jackson had ended our fist central bank.

Many in our country began to plan once again for a central bank. What it allows is a creation of money that can expand and also contract. It allows for elasticity. So in theory you have more liquidity when you need it and a contraction when not as much is needed. This is done by injecting the economy when needed. Someone needs more money so they get a loan. So the money is created then after it fills the need for the liquidity it is removed. When a loan is paid off that money is destroyed.

The system does make sense but it has a built in flaw as for example every $100 created you owe back $104 and that can only be created on a future loan. So it makes the debt ever increasing and impossible to pay off. We are not alone though this is the same system worldwide.

We owe $38 trillion but the rest of the world owes something like $110 trillion.

I'm glad my father taught us not to use loans or credit cards. My home and cars are paid in full and have never in 66 years ask a bank for a loan so if the dollar falls I guess I will still at least have my home. I feel bad for those who participated in the loan/credit things.
 
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Like many have said again and again, tariffs are taxes.

Other countries impose tariffs on incoming US good and services to make our stuff more expensive to their citizens to help businesses in their own country.

It's high time the US did the same.




Of course it is a tax, it is an "optional" tax. You don't have to pay it. If you buy something made in China you have to pay it, but if you choose instead to buy something made in the US you don't.

Exactly! It's like using an ATM and having to pay the surcharge.

If it's convenient then pay the surcharge

If you don't want to pay the surcharge, then go make a cash withdrawal from your bank which is free.




As some has mentioned the US dollar is fiat money and so it is as valuable as people perceive it to be.

Yeah and all other currencies are also fiat fake money too.


We owe $38 trillion but the rest of the world owes something like $110 trillion.

Which is another reason why the US dollar is still stronger than other currencies




I'm glad my father taught us not to use loans or credit cards.

There are some nice benefits to paying with a credit card such as if the merchant does not deliver the good or services as advertised one can do a charge back and get a refund thus giving them protection from being screwed by a merchant.

Anytime I shop online I pay by credit card and over the years I've had numerous merchants do me dirty but I was able to do a charge back thru my bank and get a refund. The merchant has no control over it and their credit card processor charges them penalties and fees in addition to taking the refund amount from them.

Of course I treat my credit cards like a checking account in that I have the money to pay the car down every month so I'm not running up a big credit card bill like some people are doing.

But using credit cards is the safest way to shop since you have recourse under Visa MasterCard rules and regulations which are tilted towards the favoring the consumer over the merchant.
 
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Other countries impose tariffs on incoming US good and services to make our stuff more expensive to their citizens to help businesses in their own country.

It's high time the US did the same.






Exactly! It's like using an ATM and having to pay the surcharge.

If it's convenient then pay the surcharge

If you don't want to pay the surcharge, then go make a cash withdrawal from your bank which is free.






Yeah and all other currencies are also fiat fake money too.




Which is another reason why the US dollar is still stronger than other currencies






There are some nice benefits to paying with a credit card such as if the merchant does not deliver the good or services as advertised one can do a charge back and get a refund thus giving them protection from being screwed by a merchant.

Anytime I shop online I pay by credit card and over the years I've had numerous merchants do me dirty but I was able to do a charge back thru my bank and get a refund. The merchant has no control over it and their credit card processor charges them penalties and fees in addition to taking the refund amount from them.

Of course I treat my credit cards like a checking account in that I have the money to pay the car down every month so I'm not running up a big credit card bill like some people are doing.

But using credit cards is the safest way to shop since you have recourse under Visa MasterCard rules and regulations which are tilted towards the favoring the consumer over the merchant.

I'm meaning credit card type credit cards I have a debit card and PayPal,bluebird ect. I just never used Usury.
 
Apologies mean nothing from the people who do it for show.
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SHOW ME THE MONEY!


 
Like many have said again and again, tariffs are taxes.
I wonder what was Trump Really thinking when he had these tariffs implemented when everyone was telling him that it was going to be a hardship on Americans.He must have had Somebody telling him Something for him to go ahead and do it anyway.🤷🏾‍♂️Now he's stopping some of the tariffs on some things like coffee, etc.
 
I wonder what was Trump Really thinking when he had these tariffs implemented when everyone was telling him that it was going to be a hardship on Americans.He must have had Somebody telling him Something for him to go ahead and do it anyway.🤷🏾‍♂️Now he's stopping some of the tariffs on some things like coffee, etc.
Trump has to realize that it's too bad and too late.
 
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