you sound like someone trying to sound smarter than you really are by using cryptic word salad language and then pretending you said something profound.
Trumps gonna win.
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you sound like someone trying to sound smarter than you really are by using cryptic word salad language and then pretending you said something profound.
But satan did not cause man to fall.
Adam and Eve caused their own trouble by choosing to listen to the devil and discarding what God instructed them to do
James 1:14 - But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust (desire), and enticed.
Adam and Eve began to desire that which satan was talking to them about and then they acted on the word of the devil having rejected the Word of the Lord.
So no, the devil did not cause them to fall. All he did was present to them a point of view that was in opposition to the Lord and made it sound good and they decided to obey the devil and by doing so they disobeyed the Lord.
They allowed what the devil said to enter in to them causing God's Word to be choked and become unfruitful (Mark 4:13-20)
Yeah, there's a lot of racist bigot Jew haters around these days.
Yep, this is true
And if one gets born again and turns back to living in sin then they once again are back under contract with the devil.
These so called once saved always saved folks claim a person is still saved when they turn away from the Lord and go back to living for the devil, but they are of course mistaken because the devil deceived them with that false doctrine
for someone to come on here and boldly proclaim his hatred for Jews should be bannable offence
but I already know nothing will be done because they let that one guy get away with blaming rape victims a few months back
anyway I have blocked him and unblocked him several times over the years. this time it's permanent.
No one said they hated the Jews. You're misconstruing their side debate about the problem of evil and freewill/destiny. It's more a case of digression than discrimination.
he said the murder of six million people was righteous judgment. Hitler used that exact argument verbatim.
making excuses for the murder of 6 million people is pure evil.
That's not the argument Hitler used, Hitler thought humans would evolve into the ubermensch darwinistically by eliminating the untermensch. At any rate even that is besides the point, as even if Hitler had the premise you purport, that wouldn't change the nature of their side debate which mostly revolves around what is called The Problem of Evil. Since I guess I put my foot in it, I'll say I disagree with the conclusion of ZNP's side debate, but I partially agree with his premise. Yes many of the Jews were evil, that is a fact. The Holocaust was also evil done unto them that is also a fact. I don't think the Holocaust was a judgment by God, nor that it's like he permitted Satan to do anything. I think it's closer to Joseph's statement to his brothers "you meant evil for me, but God used it for good." Even terming it the Holocaust implies this dynamic, and I would note the Jews termed it the Holocaust, not the nazis, and the term implies a sacrifice. In many ways due to the Holocaust this directly resulted in the creation of the nationstate of Israel and their strong claim to legitimacy over the land so that the Jewish can have a safe refuge in the world in case something like that occurs again, thus supporting my conclusion and point of view. I won't go too much more on it though, cause while it is an interesting historical and religious grand debate, it is a digression.
I agree with what you have shared here.
Ask Dude how he understands the Holocaust. You will not get a reference to the scriptures and you will not get a reference to the power of God. His error is not logic, it is in not knowing the scriptures or the power of God.
For example many who call themselves Christians do not believe in Hell. God can send people to hell and that is righteous judgement, but they will not see that.
Well both you and Dude (and Dallas) might be interested in a purported event called the Trial of God. The Trial is controversial of course, but I think it fits your side debate well featuing all the themes of the Holocaust, the Problem of Evil, Freewill, and Judgment. I'll just leave this side topic at that for my part since really this is a way bigger topic of its own, but I'll include a trailer and basic wiki for a starting point to do your own researches.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_on_Trial
Hitler said he was doing God's work by eradicating the jews.
"many of the Jews were evil*.
when did this go from a Christian forum to a Jew hating forum?
Hitler was not doing God's work and no one said he was. Trying to twist my words to say that is what liars do. What I said was that if you embrace Satan this is where you end up. The word of God warns you this is where you will end up. The broad way leads to destruction. Yes, you have free will to choose the broad way but you have been warned that it leads to destruction.
what were the jews doing that was so evil besides existing with different beliefs?
Dude does not understand what is meant by righteous judgment.
In Back to the Future, a movie, there is a scene where the bully, BIF, tries to run over our hero Marty who is on a skateboard. Marty escapes unhurt while Biff is buried in manure. That is an artistic representation of "with what measure you measure it will be measured to you" or "as you have done it will be done to you".
In the Holocaust Satan is trying to bury the Jews and instead of finishing them off they wind up getting a nation and realizing that the only way they'll survive Satan's attacks is as the nation of Israel. But it also helps reconcile the Jews. They had become outcasts to wander the earth because they crucified an innocent man. They needed to experience that for themselves so that they could empathize and ultimately repent for what they did, and so return to Jesus as the Savior.
In the end all things work together for good to those that love God.
In Back to the Future, a movie, there is a scene where the bully, BIF, tries to run over our hero Marty who is on a skateboard. Marty escapes unhurt while Biff is buried in manure. That is an artistic representation of "with what measure you measure it will be measured to you" or "as you have done it will be done to you".
In the Holocaust Satan is trying to bury the Jews and instead of finishing them off they wind up getting a nation and realizing that the only way they'll survive Satan's attacks is as the nation of Israel. But it also helps reconcile the Jews. They had become outcasts to wander the earth because they crucified an innocent man. They needed to experience that for themselves so that they could empathize and ultimately repent for what they did, and so return to Jesus as the Savior.
In the end all things work together for good to those that love God.
Hitler believed he would evolve into God, like most the 20th century darwinistic based ideologies do. Hitler considered the Jews to be the untermensch because he like many others blamed them for Germany's defeat in WW1 and of being communists. As a competing social darwinistic ideology the communists also either ironically or uniroincally also perpetrated perseutions against the Jews because they considered them either too religious or else collaborating with the West of course. At any rate dang, we all have heard enough about Hitler for lifetimes I assure you.
Yea many of the Jews were evil, and many still are btw, and same with every other race. Sorry I have to be the one to tell you, though I'm pretty sure you're older than me, but it's a dark world man and we live in the timeline of pretty evil generations. I do like that you want to stand up for other races though Dude, but man you do gotta chill a lil, you're bugging bruh.
I don't see much Jew hatred here, now and then maybe some just false assertions or typical anti-israel propaganda might be the better term for it, but I've never really seen any serious Jew hatred in this forum. I like you though Dude I think your heart is in a good place but I think though you like go too much calling the other people racist and or nazis too fast. It's a higher and more mature intellectual discourse in my opinion, but it's not really hateful nor really aberrant from debates or discussions about such topics and themes. THe infraction is really just yea dang we have digress 4 pages now, it's more like rather than always thinking punitive action it's a case of just reorganization, just try to get us back to the topic I guess be the better argument. We can just self-moderate that though, I'll go look for some Trump winning news for a pivot I guess before the almighty banhammer strikes us all down with the fervor of true equality.
unless the 1930s Jews built a time machine and went back to 2000 years into the past, they didn't kill jesus.
Catholics used to teach that Jews were murdering Christians and using their blood to cast magic spells.
Hitler played on this sentiment to gain support for genociding the jews. the Nazis even more belt buckles that says God is with us.
6 million innocent people didn't deserve what happened to them and anyone who says otherwise is a nazi. I said what I said
You should really look into God on Trial both the history and the movie I posted earlier. Based on actual events and high philosophical discourse from actual Holocaust survivors actually (not nazis real or imagined). It is admittedly mature subject matter that will almost certainly trigger you, but if you can get past that initial shock, it's actually deeply intellectually and spiritually intriguing, you might actually even dare I say be culturally enriched.
Anyways back to the present and the topic. Some advancement of Trump's tariffs and the planned 2k dividend as the Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick sits for an interview and seems to be on board for the People's dividend, praise Jesus.
"I can't believe somebody got upset. all somebody said was that 6 million people deserve to die."
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